Ersatzjack
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Post by Ersatzjack on Mar 18, 2009 16:45:53 GMT -5
And ha! I laugh at bloody face wounds. They hurt no more than non-bloody face hits after the first few seconds, then they serve primarily to freak out other players. ;D He's not kidding. Here's the proof. On a serious note, someone's financial straights are unfortunate but no reason to show up with guns that exceed safety limits. Organizers are the final say on these limits and chronos should be used and rules enforced. I think it would only take one or two events where you are turned away or have to fight with a borrowed springer pistol (a chance to really test your airsoft mettle) before you would conform or lose interest and if it was the later then so be it. High standards earn respect over time and low standards lead to trouble. If I were to get an AGM MP-44 it would get a downgrade without a doubt. 390FPS with .2's would make it very intimidating and it would be legal on most fields I think. If it was over 400FPS it would stay on semi and frankly, that is very effective.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2009 20:22:09 GMT -5
Just because spending $200+ on it you're not going to want to willingly adjust it to perform 'worse.' Just figured I'd chime in. Having been playing airsoft for a fair while, I've definitely learned that FPS isn't everything. I've read a number of threads that relate to FPS, not just on these boards but on others. Quite often the assumption is that high FPS equals higher accuracy. In the vast majority of cases, this is simply not the case. I'm all for lower FPS guns. All of my rifles are shooting well under 400, typically under 350. With a few relatively simple modifications, guns can definitely be made more accurate with a lower FPS. Plus, a lower FPS typically gives your gun a higher rate of fire and a longer life expectancy. High FPS can be nice, but only after an upgraded barrel, bucking, nub, etc. Here is a great article written about this subject over on airsoftretreat: www.airsoftretreat.com/forums/index.php?topic=36387.0Overall, I can definitely vouch for low FPS first hand. Just recently, I added an H-nub to my stock AGM MP40, as well as switched to using .28 gram bbs. At a small private match earlier today, I was outranging most everyone on the field, including numerous guns shooting 400 FPS+, even with my gun shooting well under 300 FPS. Hope I didn't end up sounding like a jerk, I really don't mean to. Just figured I'd try to emphasize the point that FPS isn't everything. The AGM Stg-44 could definitely end up being an awesome gun, especially with a spring downgrade and a few other upgrades.
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Post by spitfire740 on Mar 18, 2009 21:11:43 GMT -5
not at all, point well taken.
I'm just speaking on behalf of a new player's mind set, he would probably need to be persuaded/argued to downgrade his weapon. That is good to know that downgrades do have many positive aspects!
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Post by Obergefreiter Raimund on Mar 19, 2009 12:52:25 GMT -5
I think the phrase “downgrade the weapon” is a sort of misnomer at first glance. We technically are not speaking about downgrading the weapon at all. We are speaking about reducing the velocity at which the weapon fires on full automatic.
As a poster above me already stated. Higher FPS does not mean better performance. By all means upgrade the STG-44 with a tight bore barrel, better nozzle, better gears, shims, bearings etc. Just reduce the velocity at which the BB travels or prepare to be restricted to semi-auto like all other high power single shot guns are.
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Post by wulfthonfen on Apr 2, 2009 12:11:25 GMT -5
might not be the right topic but how much better shooting is the agm stg 44 with a heavier bb? i heard it has a 4 foot spread pattern at 50 feet firing .20g.
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Post by Gordak on Apr 2, 2009 17:30:29 GMT -5
bb weight doesnt matter, the spring needs to be changed, -Gordak
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kalbs
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Post by kalbs on Apr 2, 2009 22:51:29 GMT -5
might not be the right topic but how much better shooting is the agm stg 44 with a heavier bb? i heard it has a 4 foot spread pattern at 50 feet firing .20g. I found better range by about 5 meters and a much tighter pattern using .25g bb's in the stock configuration. This would also apply using a reduced spring which is recommended/required as noted by Gordak.
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Post by Garrick Udet on Apr 3, 2009 9:38:38 GMT -5
Yeah I don't use .20s in my AEGs for that reason, .25s seem to feed more consistently and provide a tighter spread.
Kalbs or Gordak, have you tried .27s? That's the weight I use in my Ersatzjack K98 and I really think they are the bees knees for higher power guns, but again that's a springer and not a lollipops y AEG.
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Post by Tobbe on Apr 3, 2009 15:55:36 GMT -5
The greatest inconsistency seems to be in the gun itself..I get decent groupings att 40+ meters (130feet) with my STG without any up or downgrades..At that distance i think a feet wide is ok..
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Post by nachtjager1945 on Jun 17, 2009 10:40:43 GMT -5
I know that I personally (to counter the horribly high FPS) put in an M100 spring, the FPS settled down quite a bit. I also put in a tightbore (6.04) which made it even more accurate than it already was. And I personally don't think the StG-44 should be classed as a support weapon, and this is where it gets interesting. Since it was the first assault rifle ever made, it really could be classed as an SMG or a Rifle (I've always called mine a rifle). Now do with that what you will, thats just my 2 cents.
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oberst42
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Post by oberst42 on Jun 18, 2009 6:52:26 GMT -5
this is why we need trenches and bolt-actions! you don't have to worry about high FPS in trench battles that last for months, all you have to worry about is snipers, trench foot, and charging machine gun posts
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Post by Fusilier on Jun 19, 2009 11:35:18 GMT -5
this is why we need trenches and bolt-actions! you don't have to worry about high FPS in trench battles that last for months, all you have to worry about is snipers, trench foot, and charging machine gun posts Ah,I like how you think! Problem is,there aren't enough people into WW1 for companies to make WW1 era weapons like the '03,M1917,Lebel,Berthier or G98. Do you do WW1? I have done German,and currently have an American kit.
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oberst42
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Post by oberst42 on Jun 19, 2009 16:26:25 GMT -5
i went to a WWI blank-fire event in PA once, i was a german runner, i'm not old enough to use the blank guns yet, i have a german kit, i only have a mutze though, i'm saveing up for a pickelhaube, anyway, i really thought airsoft trench fighting through, i'm gonna start another thread as not to draw this one too off topic
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2nd Bat
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jun 22, 2009 21:24:04 GMT -5
Guys no offense but how about we take all WW1 discussion to a thread perhaps in the Killroy was here section since this IS a WW2 Airsoft board and any discussions about Vietnam WW1 or modern stuff belongs in an OFF TOPIC section. Better yet create your onw web site dedicated to WW1.
Lets get back to keeping this thread about the STG 44!
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petermartin14
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Post by petermartin14 on Jul 6, 2009 19:22:16 GMT -5
how is the STG going to face up to the B.A.R is it going to be worth purchasing? but hey its american made!!!
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Post by MAS on Jul 25, 2009 17:29:51 GMT -5
Its not American made the companey just has a office here. No airsofts at least not custom ones are made here
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Post by airbornerocks on Jul 25, 2009 22:30:18 GMT -5
And ha! I laugh at bloody face wounds. They hurt no more than non-bloody face hits after the first few seconds, then they serve primarily to freak out other players. ;D He's not kidding. Here's the proof. On a serious note, someone's financial straights are unfortunate but no reason to show up with guns that exceed safety limits. Organizers are the final say on these limits and chronos should be used and rules enforced. I think it would only take one or two events where you are turned away or have to fight with a borrowed springer pistol (a chance to really test your airsoft mettle) before you would conform or lose interest and if it was the later then so be it. High standards earn respect over time and low standards lead to trouble. If I were to get an AGM MP-44 it would get a downgrade without a doubt. 390FPS with .2's would make it very intimidating and it would be legal on most fields I think. If it was over 400FPS it would stay on semi and frankly, that is very effective. The AGM MP44 did that?
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Post by Garrick Udet on Jul 28, 2009 9:43:09 GMT -5
No that was from a russian.
I just downgraded my spring and put in a tightbore barrel. It shoots right about 400 now with .20s.
I used it at a modern game this weekend and had no problem keeping up with guys with pretty tricked out AEGs.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Aug 2, 2009 12:02:53 GMT -5
Bloody face wounds do not serve well in explanations at board room meetings or sales presentations the week following an event. Explaining airsoft to your contemporaries in the corporate world is seldom a good idea and over the course of a year you can only use "Bee stings" so many times.
I hate the look of paintball masks but I am a huge fan of full face masks from a safety perspective. Getting back on subject...How have the mp44S been with regard to rolling them into events? Have people been okay with going semi with them if they are over 400 FPS? Has it even been an issue? Here in the NW we restrict the number of Thompsons that are allowed to fire on fully auto and that seems to keep the firepower in decent balance.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Oct 20, 2014 17:23:36 GMT -5
Given that this thread is old but still relevant for new forum members I thought I would post an update on where things now stand with regard to the STG-44. currently there are at least 3 manufacturers that produce an AEG Stg-44. There probably are a lot of shared parts for these assorted brands or perhaps simply reversed engineered clones of the original. These are all priced in line with most metal gear box full sized AEGs. Some have Real wood stocks while others have simulated wood. All are under $200.00 with base guns in the $150 to $160.00. they remain quite powerful out of the box with all of them either close to or well over 400 FPS. As the new offerings FPS creep up fields and sponsors tend to be more and more relaxed about FPS restrictions (not a good idea in my opinion)
At Ww2 events I have seen a pretty consistent effort to limit the number of people (regardless of gun type) to semi auto fire which enhances our events I believe. At the same time that the STG 44 has become more prevalent a less expensive MG 43 has been introduced and is increasingly being seen. Sadly there remain reliability issues with the MGs and it seems they are "down" more then "up". So that is frustrating. in cases where the MGs are down teams typically designate a STG or two as their Squad MG.
The STG still oesn't offer mid caps or low caps though custom conversions are being done. the Stgs are designed for the stick batteries which provide limited Mahs and spare and more robust battery choices are strongly recommended. i find on a good charge in normal temperatures my stick batteries give me about 600 to 800 shots so semi auto actually has its upsides.
hopefully our understandings about the function of the AGM MG 43 will improve and upgrades and durability tips will improve their reliability. There has been a real push to build and make available VSR / Kar 98 conversions and the new GnG and Redfire Kar 98 gas guns have increased the number of German bolt actions. On the allied side the ICS Garand and M14 conversions along with a smattering of conversion Springfields and the inexpensive springer carbines has helped to equalize the firepower discrepency and reduced somewhat the over abundance of Thompsons although they still arm about 40% of the allies.
i look forward to the day when a reasonably correct mix of weapons become the norm at Ww2 airsoft battlefields. progress is being made but we still have a long way to go.
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