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Post by Sgt_Tom on Jul 15, 2009 18:08:17 GMT -5
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YankeeDiv26
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Post by YankeeDiv26 on Jul 15, 2009 21:47:02 GMT -5
So...it's a better idea to put a applesauce ty $8 spring powered airsoft gun, spend a lot of hours and $ getting it to look somewhat like an M1 carbine...so you'll end up with a single shot gun that performs like a piece of applesauce and will break after about 10rds. Instead of buying the single shot gas version which looks VERY much like a WWII M1 carbine and performs VERY well...
Call me daft, but your logic eludes me.
oh and that's a potbelly stock. AKA no-go for WWII.
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Post by Gabe on Jul 15, 2009 21:52:59 GMT -5
Well yank I am goin to call you daft...For a reason, you must have missed a few things...You use a version 7 gearbox not spring powered... With the paratrooper stock version, you use a version 3, in the end, it will cost 500$ but I'd pay the price.
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Post by Nimlas on Jul 15, 2009 22:13:04 GMT -5
Well yank I am goin to call you daft...For a reason, you must have missed a few things...You use a version 7 gearbox not spring powered... With the paratrooper stock version, you use a version 3, in the end, it will cost 500$ but I'd pay the price. Well Audie, I'm going to call YOU daft. Neither of those has a snowball's chance in hell of fitting into a carbine.
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Post by TommyGunner on Jul 15, 2009 22:16:11 GMT -5
Why not, both look like with a repositioning of the motor cage they both can fit into the M1A1 stock and an M1 stock.
They actually do I have seen.....done it...currently. The trick is getting a reciver they can fit under. That has to be made specially and Im working with a company to get an acceptable prototype reciver built.
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Post by YankeeDiv26 on Jul 15, 2009 22:20:07 GMT -5
Get me an AEG M1A1 CARBINE (not some slapped together frankengun) with a good V7 and sell it to me for $500 and I'll GLADLY be called daft, hell you can call me suzy if you want. Please, actually DO it and not just post in another "custom gun that'll never happen" thread.
Thanks, Tim
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Post by TommyGunner on Jul 15, 2009 22:26:24 GMT -5
Well thats why I have no posted on it yet until its done. It will be made available next year after May10th 2010.
It will be an AEG gun and used reall M1 Carbine mags. Like I said I am currently working with a company that is copying many reall gun parts like recivers and we are making the needed modifications to make them work with airsoft internals. I meet with them tomarrow infact to discuss cost and work on some more prototype parts.
All of my weapons next year will feature full wood stocks and spot on recivers copied from originals.
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Post by Gabe on Jul 15, 2009 22:30:07 GMT -5
Well, I will say this then yeah, the repositioning of the motorcage can be done, what you displayed is also one variant of the Version 3 and Version 2. The version 7 would work just fine, all you'd need is a socom m-14. That would be fairly easy. Using a Version 3, you would need to take the Motor cage and change it's angle...Let me explain in detail...
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Post by Gabe on Jul 15, 2009 22:37:47 GMT -5
Okay, Sorry, this was my mistake, you would need to use a version 7 gearbox all the way around this... Every posting person in this thread knows that the thompson and the p90 have a version 6 gearbox...right? Right. Now the motors on both gearboxes are both in different locations but, the gearbox stays the same regardless...Now with the version 7 what you would need to do is make a metal bracket for the motor cage, making the angle of the motor to that of the M1A1 Carbine pistol grip...The castings can be made or for all we know, they can be found a version 6 (with a tad of modification). Sorry to say folks but the battery would have to be external of the gun most likely on the right side of the plastic on the wire back stock...
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Post by Nimlas on Jul 15, 2009 23:00:51 GMT -5
The motor isn't the only obstacle, and carbines are REALLY small, obviously.
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YankeeDiv26
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Post by YankeeDiv26 on Jul 15, 2009 23:10:49 GMT -5
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Post by Nimlas on Jul 15, 2009 23:12:43 GMT -5
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Gabe
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Post by Gabe on Jul 16, 2009 0:26:54 GMT -5
You guys just need to use your imagination, How would you go around making a full stock sks? (this is relevant to the thread) Would you give up? PLease indulge me and say what you would do...
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Post by Nimlas on Jul 16, 2009 0:53:52 GMT -5
You guys just need to use your imagination, How would you go around making a full stock sks? (this is relevant to the thread) Would you give up? PLease indulge me and say what you would do... Talk about how I'd build my SKS, waste a LOT of peoples time with inane questions, attempt to imagineer a V3 into an SKS, give up, then never post again. That's a lie, I'd just post a stupid graphic(not that ALF is stupid, ALF is incredible).
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Post by Adler69 on Jul 16, 2009 1:03:07 GMT -5
You guys just need to use your imagination, How would you go around making a full stock sks? (this is relevant to the thread) Would you give up? PLease indulge me and say what you would do... Full stock SKS? They only made Full Stock SKS's .
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Post by deacon on Jul 16, 2009 3:19:22 GMT -5
Good grief! lets ease up a bit. I have tried both those gearboxes. NO-GO!!! they protrude quite a bit. The only gearboxes that will work without modifying receivers and such are the ones in the MP7, Scorpion, and UZI. Unless you make your own gearbox with a mill. (hmmmm.....)
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Post by Gabe on Jul 16, 2009 15:56:29 GMT -5
The version 7 protrudes in a full stock carbine? btw, you can use both v3 and v7 for the sks, depending on which type of sks you want...(tapco stock)
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Post by deacon on Jul 16, 2009 18:02:15 GMT -5
Yes it is almost as tall as the receiver. So the only way of putting one in is to make a super thin receiver that goes over top, or making a cast one that gets put on the gearbox. I think tommy gunner has it figured out. I think that I like BARs, they're much bigger and easier to work with.
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Post by maxatax on Jul 25, 2009 15:56:20 GMT -5
try the A&k G300 gearbox that might be small enough, I don't know what version it is though.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jul 25, 2009 17:35:27 GMT -5
To suggest that this group lacks imagination is extremely offensive. Especially from someone who has clearly never attempted a custom gun and succeeded to the point of sharing his end results.
These projects are labors of love and extremely challenging and expensive to take on. Sometimes the expense is in the time involved but it is expense nonetheless. Tommy Gunner and Deacon are both creative dilligent guys who are taking on projects and producing results that benefit the hobby greatly. When we try to address your conceptual ideas with legitimate reasons they don't work it is frustrating to hear a response that suggest we are somehow daft to not be able to accomplish them. It's to the point where I hate to even respond to the questions. Folks who haven't tried these things simply don't know what they don't know. Sometimes that's good because we who pretend to know are sometimes shocked by other peoples successes but the only thing that makes me a believer is the end result. NOT CAD drawings or sketches but actually finished custom home mades with pictures that actually shoot BBs and are capable of being used in a skirmish.
Airsoft AEGs are far more complicated than most people realize and the tolerances required and alignments are critical. Add to that the critical eye of all the WW2 reenactors with their perfectionistic expectations and it's a wonder anyone even attempts these things.
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Post by gunny1944 on Jul 25, 2009 18:56:20 GMT -5
well said
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Post by deacon on Jul 25, 2009 19:55:20 GMT -5
I second that!
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Gabe
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Post by Gabe on Jul 28, 2009 16:44:02 GMT -5
Well that was supposed to be a sarcastic remark directed at the other two guys saying it was impossible...but yeah, we didn't have the funding to do the SKS so we canned the idea.
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Post by sarge12 on Aug 6, 2009 0:07:55 GMT -5
Hey for a receiver on the carbine you can use the receiver and mag from a spring china made super enforcer
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Post by 2nd Bat on Aug 7, 2009 16:58:13 GMT -5
Audiemurphy,
For both the carbine and the SKS it is more than just an issue of funding. The demensions (if authentic) simply don't accomodate existing gearboxes. It's not an issue of creativity, funding or desire. Someone somewhere will figure out a way to do a reasonable proximity but it will neither be exact, easy or inexpensive. To suggest otherwise is ignorance or enthusiasm bubbling over the facts.
So easy to concieve of these conversions but soooooo hard to do. I wish every noob to WW2 airsoft who has dreams of weapons as yet unavailable would go into the G-2 tent and take a few deep breaths.
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Post by Meisterschutze on Aug 10, 2009 5:08:02 GMT -5
Anyone tried a M249 GB?
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Post by kalbs on Aug 10, 2009 9:10:04 GMT -5
Your kidding... right? M249 gearbox is 9-1/2"L x 2 -1/2"H
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Post by Meisterschutze on Aug 10, 2009 12:08:05 GMT -5
Oh..OK m8..sorry i just didnt know the measurements It lookes "right" in the first place
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Post by sarge12 on Aug 19, 2009 16:42:07 GMT -5
Your choice could only get a potbelly m2 carbine stock so you can fit a larger gear box in it , I know a potbelly stock isn't WWII but really who can tell a difference
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