kalbs
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Post by kalbs on Aug 23, 2009 6:35:26 GMT -5
They wore standard SS rune collar tabs and in early 1944 they were issued the Hitlerjugen cuffband. As well as the wearing of SS camo smocks you will also find lots of photos of them wearing the Peadot camo in Normandy without insignia (maybe only a sleave eagle)  |
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Post by flectarn on Aug 23, 2009 19:19:03 GMT -5
The only thing almost unique to them was the use of italian camo combi's and trousers. The most prevalant tunic and cap was the m42 tunic and the m40 cap
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Post by kilroy9thss on Aug 26, 2009 0:06:09 GMT -5
it is but i would just do pants not the combi.. u dont want a camo over load
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Post by ottoss on Aug 26, 2009 16:53:30 GMT -5
if ur goin to start up a unit. Buy a few books, and read up on the unit. Lucky you theres tons of books on the 12thss.
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Post by flectarn on Aug 28, 2009 2:16:36 GMT -5
Yes, you DO want a camo overload. The 12th was covered head to toe at times. The full combi is perfectly acceptable. However, that reproduction is terrible. The italian camo print looks like crap, as do the buttons. Theres no "great" repop on the market as of now. The SMW stuff looks good, but is actually copied for a post war pattern. I believe your best bet is ant-z militaria and I believe they only sell trousers. If you only get the trousers, make sure you get a Camo smock, a camo helmet cover, and if you'd like a camo Cap. Camo was extremely prevalent in the 12.SS HJ.
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Post by waffenssdivision on Sept 19, 2009 16:22:56 GMT -5
hey im 14 and i want to join a unit in the range of 2-4 hours and i live in kentucky
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Post by hburn on Sept 19, 2009 17:53:39 GMT -5
wrong section look up the units section but at 14 12th SS is who you would try to do
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Post by flectarn on Sept 20, 2009 20:31:18 GMT -5
No its not. There were no 14 Year olds in the 12th. 16 was the youngest.
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gadge
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Post by gadge on Sept 20, 2009 20:50:55 GMT -5
I think what was meant was that at 14 hes going to look *really* young in most units and that he'll look less underage in a unit such as the 12th
Given that most folk doing re-enacting are far too old for their chosen units i dont see someone being a teenager as a big issue.
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Post by hburn on Sept 20, 2009 22:35:13 GMT -5
yeah i meant at 14 he would look way more out of place than the 12th SS
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gadge
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Post by gadge on Sept 21, 2009 9:03:50 GMT -5
No its not. There were no 14 Year olds in the 12th. 16 was the youngest. I'd be wary of saying 'no 14 year olds' btw. Considering that in wwi and wwii the British army had rare occurrences of 14 year old boys lying about their age to sign up. In fact IIRC in WWI there is a tragic account of a 14 year old being shot for deserting his post. Consider that Germany was prepared to arm 11 year olds in the last days of the Reich the possibilty of turning a blind eye to under 16s in the army is not a massive stretch of the imagination. |
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Post by flectarn on Sept 21, 2009 14:43:16 GMT -5
Right, couldnt care less if a 14 year old is portraying a soldat. As gadge said, most reenactors are way too old. Just stating, historically was not the age of HJ volunteers. Im not sure if you could "lie" your way into the 12th. Im sure prior your service in the SS, the HJ would of figured out your real age.
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Post by waffenssdivision on Sept 21, 2009 16:35:37 GMT -5
well i do work out have a big(12) to be exact and about 5 foot 4 so im strong enough to hold a gun and go deer hunting by myself.
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Post by waffenssdivision on Sept 21, 2009 16:39:12 GMT -5
a big foot 12 in mens is what i meant believe it or not
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Cpl. Hicks
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Post by Cpl. Hicks on Sept 21, 2009 19:14:36 GMT -5
tmi
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Post by airbornerocks on Sept 21, 2009 19:24:13 GMT -5
well i do work out have a big(12) to be exact and about 5 foot 4 so im strong enough to hold a gun and go deer hunting by myself. lol i read that wrong ;D You have a big 12 what? |
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Post by flectarn on Sept 24, 2009 20:32:14 GMT -5
Minimum height for the 12.SS was to be 5 Feet 7 inches. You're just admitting to being a farb now! Just kidding.
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Post by jugendkrieger on Mar 3, 2010 20:58:02 GMT -5
Check it out. Attachments:
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Post by jugendkrieger on Mar 3, 2010 20:59:17 GMT -5
Another cool thing about 12 SS Hitlerjugend is that they regularly blackened their faces before combat. Attachments:
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Jackboot
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Post by Jackboot on Mar 3, 2010 21:48:24 GMT -5
I'm putting together a 12th SS kit also. A good book to buy is SS-HitlerJugend by Rupert Butler. It covers alot of info. Iron discipline within the ranks of the 12th SS extended to the correct wearing of uniform and insignia according to rank. The shortages due to the war, however, meant that the HitlerJugend Division had anything but a proper uniform apperance. Yes the 12th SS did use all camo web they could. Tons of troops had all Italian factory camo. But when it comes to picking stuff out, you really have a personal preference.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2010 0:45:01 GMT -5
with regards to the italian camo's available I have both Sm and Ant z items and they are nearly identical. The patterns are also very close, Ant-z's is better in regards to the stray 'finger' that appears in the repeat of the camo being thinner [this is a very minimal difference however]. Sm's is better in that it represents the 'overprint' shadow that is in the pattern better. both have very strong coloring for accuracy, with perhaps the ant-z slightly edging out the sm in comparison to a real shelter half [this is skewed however as the color variations are so large in general that it makes both versions viable]. The sm material is heavier and better wearing while the ant-z is thinner however the ant-z is half the price. this thread from the axis reenactors forum has a fairly thorough overview of the camo and its repro's www.panzergrenadier.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=11845&start=45Currently both trousers and combi's are available on ebay from this source which I have been told is ANT-z product [they also have trousers] cgi.ebay.com/WWII-German-Italian-Camo-Combat-Suit-size-42R_W0QQitemZ320490485334QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item4a9eb8b656#ht_500wt_1182currently SM is the only vendor offering tunics. to echo Flectarns comments regarding spearheads Italian products, they are not correct in color at all and the various other details TG THE REGIMENT |
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Post by bizcuits on Mar 4, 2010 3:23:54 GMT -5
No its not. There were no 14 Year olds in the 12th. 16 was the youngest. I'd be wary of saying 'no 14 year olds' btw. Considering that in wwi and wwii the British army had rare occurrences of 14 year old boys lying about their age to sign up. In fact IIRC in WWI there is a tragic account of a 14 year old being shot for deserting his post. Consider that Germany was prepared to arm 11 year olds in the last days of the Reich the possibilty of turning a blind eye to under 16s in the army is not a massive stretch of the imagination. In "The last first Sergeant" Sgt. Black talks about how during the battle of the bulge one of the germans they capture was about 14 years old at most. His LT, blows the kids brians out after he surrenders and fails to carry another wounded German back to a transport truck. |
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Post by Jackboot on Mar 6, 2010 21:28:19 GMT -5
Did the 12th wear the m36 tunic?
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Post by labrador on Mar 6, 2010 22:24:27 GMT -5
I'd not say never but it would probably be only the senior cadre of officers and NCO's from Leibstandarte who may have kept their old uniforms. you'd be better of with M42-43 or the dot pattern camouflage and in some instances the italian camouflage tankers overall.
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kalbs
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Post by kalbs on Mar 6, 2010 22:34:30 GMT -5
I'd not say never but it would probably be only the senior cadre of officers and NCO's from Leibstandarte who may have kept their old uniforms. you'd be better of with M42-43 or the dot pattern camouflage and in some instances the italian camouflage tankers overall. I agree |
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Post by flectarn on Mar 8, 2010 0:02:13 GMT -5
The main tunic for enlisted personel was the m42 tunic.
Please feel free to ask me anything via PM regarding the 12th.
12hj.com
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Post by tw4449 on Mar 9, 2010 1:15:48 GMT -5
Okay, I PMed flectarn, and he informed me that the 12th never used HBT uniforms... I trust his advice, but does anyone else know if there were any exceptions?
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Post by flectarn on Mar 10, 2010 17:04:49 GMT -5
I didnt say never. I just said I have never seen them wear HBT's in photos, In combat that is. I also said that It seems they wear their wool tunics most of the time, even in the summer months.
The 12th has also been notorious for their italian camo, you could wear an italian combi or trousers in lieu of other items. Ive also seen several photos of some sort of light canvas looking material being worn, I havent been able to identify it however
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Post by tw4449 on Mar 11, 2010 3:20:35 GMT -5
Oops, sorry... my eyes have minds of their own.  |
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Post by tommyhawk on Oct 13, 2012 20:18:32 GMT -5
I am trying to do 12th SS in northern VA, that may be a little out of reach, but just figured I should say something.
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