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Post by airbornerocks on Aug 23, 2009 8:46:37 GMT -5
I came up with some ideas some of you might like, I know some of these probably are going to be funny (like the airplane part) but I think some of these changes would make a great battle.
WW2 Landscape I think this would be a great idea for the battlefield. Let's say you are doing a D Day event. I would like to see foxholes, fences, and small buildings with interiors WW2 style. I have looked at photo of Dutch land scape during the war and believe having foxholes, trenches, holes, fences, destroyed fields, craters, broken trees would make for a great experience. I would also like to see some buildings that could be scripted-destroyed look at next paragraph for more.
Scripted Events Another idea is scripted events during the battle, let's say two squads meet over a field with a small house in the middle of field. The squad leaders of each squad (GERMAN AND ALLIED) know the small house is going to collapse as part of scripted events. Like using pyrotechnics explosion to simulate artillery. So let's go back, the small house is labeled "NO ENTRY FORBID" so no one goes inside. The unaware players are positioned safe range in battle behind the range of pyrotechnics. The explosion goes off and players are shocked to see a big explosion in the controlled area of the field. Combining this with small blasts in a small blast area open field or during foxhole battles would be very good idea.
RC Airplanes This is probably the idea you will all laugh about, but I am still going to post it. Most of us are R/C airplanes, so why not have some friends who love R/C flying fly their WW2 planes over the battlefield? It's about as close as we can get to using planes so why not? Having a small squad of planes fly around could surely make the field seem better.
Sound Speakers I have seen this in airsoft battles before, having big speakers play battle ambiance looping over would be nice.
More Tanks This is an idea I would love to see improvised in battle. When your not rich you have to improvise!
Sdkfz 251- made from pickup truck Wespe - golfcart Shermans - golf carts Panzer 1 - golf carts Dingo Scout Car - golf cart
I know it won't be the most realistic, but still it's worth a fun try.
Anti Tank Burp Guns The Boys and PTRD anti tank rifles and several German anti tank rifles could be made, with a big o burp gun inside. It would look odd but it would help in anti tank for instance. Let's say a guy builds a Panzer 1 golf cart airsoft tank. A player in the distance on the Russian Team has a burp gun disguised as a PTRD AT rifle.
A referee is very close to tank to ensure rounds that hit tank are realistic. I think in real life the hot spot for AT Tankers was the back of the tank where the engine was. So the tank has 5 spots, 1 front, 1 back, 2 sides, 5 back, the targets will be pieces of wood with a small dot on them.
So a AT tanker fires his burp gun at the back of the tank, let's say in real life 1 hit to the back of the Panzer 1 would blow it up using a PTRD. The referee see's the burp gun has hit the back of the Panzer 1 in the hot spot target, and the tank is eliminated. I think this would help focus on more crews and better crew communication to avoid being knocked out by a crew of anti tankers. Combining this with a airsoft game, such as a Russian game in forests like Outskirts of Kharkov and British games would make a fun battle.
Or a spot on the back of the tank on the wooden board in the far right, if a round (burp gun ball) hits the small right target the referee radios to the tank commander that the tank is on fire and all crew must get out by in seconds the referee begins to count down. If the count goes to zero and someone is inside the tank they are "dead". If a round is fired at the tank while they are trying to escape the whole tank is dead.
Artillery I know some events have artillery, but why not have more? A artillery crew could have a scout crew, a sniper and a scout giving locations using cardinal directions and using maps to try to use accurate artillery. Blank fire guys would love doing this maybe.
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Post by oberst42 on Aug 23, 2009 13:53:42 GMT -5
love the ideas, they sound like they'd be expensive though, time for a WW2AA carwash
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Post by MAS on Aug 23, 2009 15:31:03 GMT -5
to golf cart tanks they look dumb and we do not need tanks that bad it was like 1 tank per 2,000 men do we have 2,000 guys so no stupid tanks
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Post by CharleyNovember on Aug 23, 2009 17:32:45 GMT -5
Tanks, Golf cart or not add another element to the battle.
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Post by airbornerocks on Aug 23, 2009 18:05:50 GMT -5
to golf cart tanks they look dumb and we do not need tanks that bad it was like 1 tank per 2,000 men do we have 2,000 guys so no stupid tanks Well how about comment on my other ideas? Oh well they look dumb, as Dan said it does add another element to the battle. It would be fun to combine tanks/infantry/artillery into the battle. Plus golf cart tanks don't look stupid, neither do argocat tanks. Proof www.youtube.com/watch?v=GM19U4XCtD8
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Post by Sgt_Tom on Aug 23, 2009 20:48:37 GMT -5
All great ideas but they take a lot of time and money.
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Post by Fusilier on Aug 23, 2009 20:52:42 GMT -5
The golf cart thing sounds kinda silly to me. Every WW2 battle didn't have vehicles or tanks. You can do so much without.
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Post by MAS on Aug 23, 2009 21:02:47 GMT -5
Thanks for backing my up fusilier the thing is if there as job as the one in the link then by all means!
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Post by CharleyNovember on Aug 23, 2009 21:18:27 GMT -5
Difference of opinion on that one. Having used a golf cart tank in an event I can tell you it absolutely changes things in a game. from both ends. It didn't look realistic at all and that bothered me I assure you but it did add a very interesting element into the battle. Especially when you have someone with an anti tank weapon that knows how to use it. Arty also has a very interesting effect. We had a mortar that shot tennis balls a long long way4-500 feet and we could lob them in off field to on field posistions or put it on field as an added point of interest for people to take. Firing into the woods you would not get a whole lot of hits because the ball being light once it hits the canopy of the trees bounces down to earth. What it did do was psychological when people heard it fire and come in they would all stop and hunker down then get up and move then hunker down at the next shot. Pretty interesting. If you can afford and employ real smaller armor or vehicles that is even better but if you can't an armoured vehicle of any kind is really interesting.
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Post by ersatzjack2 on Aug 24, 2009 0:24:41 GMT -5
Armored vehicles are major fun on an airsoft battlefield. Any kind of additional weapon system adds to the ambiance. We're lucky in the midwest to have the Russian ba-64 armored car that we have to fight pretty regularly. That has given birth to nerf panzerfausts and a nerf pak air cannon. The Russians have built mortars and the Germans are working on that too. Our latest invention is the sonic grenade made by Rekkon on these boards. They activate when you pull the pin and make a high pitched wail 5-7 seconds after the pin is pulled. If you're within ten feet, you're dead. The wail only lasts a few seconds and then the grenade will "chirp" which makes for easy retrieval when the coast is clear. Rekkon has also designed panzerwurfmines, land mines, and other anti tank pioneer weaponry. All of these things add to an airsoft battle and increase the fun. As for CN's comments, he's right. Armor definitely changes things. I was in a firefight with some pesky Russian infantry when "Natasha" barreled down my way. My K98 wasn't going to do me too much good and my position was hopeless so I cleared out in front of the A/C so the driver would see me and started shouting "don't shoot" in German. I figured that would be better than getting sprayed by the turret gunner. However, being the Eastern Front, the Russians that had been fighting me in the brush peppered my back. No prisoners, not that day. Armor can make you feel completely helpless. And when you take it out with a panzerfaust or a pak shot, complete jubilation (at least until it respawns).
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Post by MAS on Aug 24, 2009 7:52:15 GMT -5
Well I it was used once in a game I was in and it was used bad thats what soured me about it, I suppose that when used propley it could be good
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Post by MAS on Aug 24, 2009 7:56:21 GMT -5
About the speakers they would be cool blearing a alarm like the escape alarm on Hogans heroes. Or/and boom sounds to simulate bombs going off. Propaganda would be good to not any thing real facist but just "we are more powerful then you give up before you are all killed"
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Post by hairy apple on Aug 24, 2009 12:39:18 GMT -5
Even a truck as a "tank" changes up a battle a lot. We mounted an m60 on my girlfriend's toyota pickup, and that thing just pushed on no matter how many infantry attacked. They had no anti tank devices to use, but even so I dought anyone could have got close enough to use them. Any "tank" is a major game changer.
I have been thinking up a mortar system lately. One more thing I have a lot of ideas for but haven't had the time or money to actually start doing. I really tempted to put some of my other projects on holdto build a realistic looking and working mortar. I think it would be awesome for ww2 games. Even if for nothing else then an objective and a cool prop.
As far as the ww2 landscape goes, that would be GREAT... however, not too many folks are going to be excited to have to destroy there land for a ww2 battlefield. Buildings, bunkers cost a lot of money if made to look good, plus you'd have permit issues with the county depending on where you live. Fences also cost a bit of money and destroying them (for a game) wouldn't be so exciting to the land owner. Trenches and craters and foxholes are a ton of work and again, damage the land for any other use other then airsoft. NOW, all that being said. If I owned a plot of land and had enough of it that I didnt' have to see the field from where I lived, I'd be all for building a realistic battlefield. I have wished we had somewhere around here we could do just that. Small dirt and sandbag bunkers, trenches, road signs, fake "dragons teeth", ect. Stuff like that would add a TON to the feeling of a ww2 battle.
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Post by volkssturm on Aug 24, 2009 13:03:53 GMT -5
Here's a thought for improving the ambience. The Germans could learn enough German phrases to actually speak a little German. At least die in German when hit.
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Post by CharleyNovember on Aug 24, 2009 13:24:27 GMT -5
2x4's with bailing wire strung between them. You could use twine in a pinch but the wire was fairly cheap from home depot. The Allies had to put together and shove bangalore torpedos under the wire then an admin cut a swath of it out of the way. And that was the break in the line till they could recirculate and do a different section. They had two sets of bangalores.
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Post by Obergefreiter Raimund on Aug 24, 2009 14:38:14 GMT -5
What about adding some of the more mundane and non-combat sort of things.
-long patrols without any possibility of coming into contact with any enemy force! However, require use of maps and incorporate and intelligence gathering aspect of mapping out terrain features. -digging foxholes and taking turns sitting in them over the course of a day! You could even do this by having one team show up a day before their opponents. -Creating or preparing positions. -Camping etc.
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Post by airbornerocks on Aug 24, 2009 15:40:52 GMT -5
Thanks for some ideas, here are some I want to talk about.
I like the idea of having players show up Friday like: The German team shows up Friday for a weekend event. German team does long patrols expecting to see enemy then they look at their objectives, dig foxholes, cover, and then wait for the main battle. It could be like a preparation for a huge battle. The allies would go into the battle with objectives and then be surprised to see entrenched German troops and hidden artillery. The battle could last until the objectives are won by the teams fighting, at night their could be night patrols like as
Let's say the Allied team manages to destroy the German prop artillery, and win the objectives. So after all the Allied objectives are complete the Axis team must fall back. By then it might be sundown and once the objectives are complete the commanders must wait until another objective sheet is giving to them. Once the commanders get orders, they can do more. Such as:
Long patrols for squads, hunting down ammo drops, making trips back to headquarters for more food, and stuff. The team that was forced to retreat could dig more foxholes, get ready for battle, go on patrols, scout operations, and using this with night time it would be awesome feeling. The battle could range on until sleep time, or when that day battle is over.
The golf cart tanks would I think the closest we could get for real tanks, like let's say you got lucky and purchased a Tiger from some guy. It's an original Tiger tank from 1944. It would still break down, be a SOB like it was to tank commanders, the price of gas for it, and just communication. A REAL tank is HUGE, you would need amazing communication to make sure no idiot is behind the tank or doing something stupid.
Yeah this would take lots of cash, but work on it for a couple years, and think of how cool it would be
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Post by CharleyNovember on Aug 24, 2009 16:01:09 GMT -5
One thing we did was have patrols that had to go along a certain route and at each weigh point that was numbered on their map. was intel. This was a series of numbers or a phrase on a placard. They had to go on the patrol get the intel and avoid contact or make contact as they saw fit. This made sure they actual did a patrol as they had to report back intel to get the next mission.
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Post by MAS on Aug 24, 2009 21:11:44 GMT -5
About the speakers they would be cool blearing a alarm like the escape alarm on Hogans heroes. Or/and boom sounds to simulate bombs going off. Propaganda would be good to not any thing real facist but just "we are more powerful then you give up before you are all killed" thoughts?
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Post by airbornerocks on Aug 24, 2009 21:39:31 GMT -5
About the speakers they would be cool blearing a alarm like the escape alarm on Hogans heroes. Or/and boom sounds to simulate bombs going off. Propaganda would be good to not any thing real facist but just "we are more powerful then you give up before you are all killed" thoughts? I love the idea of speakers playing battlefield sounds like gunfire, artillery, explosions, and more but I do not like the propaganda idea. Please correct me if I am wrong but I have never heard of Germans playing propaganda near a battlefield. But I am open to learn if it is true that they did. Dan I like your hedge hogs you made, looks very good and fun to add to the field. Adding this with some armored vehicles realistic or not would be fun, the team would have to remove the gates/dragons teeth/ to let the tanks advance and move up infantry. Here are some ideas I think could maybe be done one day: A Wz 34 Samochod Pancerny made from a truck or something. A Polish theme game of the Germany .vs. Poland would be fun!
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Post by oberst42 on Aug 24, 2009 22:05:17 GMT -5
Thanks for some ideas, here are some I want to talk about. I like the idea of having players show up Friday like: The German team shows up Friday for a weekend event. German team does long patrols expecting to see enemy then they look at their objectives, dig foxholes, cover, and then wait for the main battle. It could be like a preparation for a huge battle. The allies would go into the battle with objectives and then be surprised to see entrenched German troops and hidden artillery. The battle could last until the objectives are won by the teams fighting, at night their could be night patrols like as Let's say the Allied team manages to destroy the German prop artillery, and win the objectives. So after all the Allied objectives are complete the Axis team must fall back. By then it might be sundown and once the objectives are complete the commanders must wait until another objective sheet is giving to them. Once the commanders get orders, they can do more. Such as: Long patrols for squads, hunting down ammo drops, making trips back to headquarters for more food, and stuff. The team that was forced to retreat could dig more foxholes, get ready for battle, go on patrols, scout operations, and using this with night time it would be awesome feeling. The battle could range on until sleep time, or when that day battle is over. The golf cart tanks would I think the closest we could get for real tanks, like let's say you got lucky and purchased a Tiger from some guy. It's an original Tiger tank from 1944. It would still break down, be a SOB like it was to tank commanders, the price of gas for it, and just communication. A REAL tank is HUGE, you would need amazing communication to make sure no idiot is behind the tank or doing something stupid. Yeah this would take lots of cash, but work on it for a couple years, and think of how cool it would be love your ideas, and i've thought over and over again to make mass-producable tanks, my last idea was to use 3 bicycles, an electric motor and wood plating to make it look more realistic
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Post by airbornerocks on Aug 25, 2009 6:34:36 GMT -5
Well my Dad works on golf carts, and we have 3 of them here. We have two electric, and 1 gas that is broke. If I did start trying to make golf cart tanks, I would purchase two golf carts then work on them the same time. So the tanks could be done at the same time, combine this work with a buddy and you could have it done pretty fast
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Post by CharleyNovember on Aug 25, 2009 6:59:58 GMT -5
Having made a golf cart tank I can tell you it is a lot of work but the fewer "visions" you have to deal with the better for you. We made a frame out of PVC and then screwed the wood panels to that. It was semi heavy but light enough four people could pick it up and put it on the golf cart and then strap it down to the cart. I wish you luck and because I know you are in the southeast I hope to see your creation at one of our games. PM me if need be.
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Post by airbornerocks on Aug 25, 2009 9:11:21 GMT -5
I was listing ideas for the tanks, the mortar is my project I'm working on. Here are some ideas. Bangalore's with grenades or smoke to simulate a blast, could be used in an event where you need to clear dragon teeth or anti tank obstacles. Pole charges with pyrotechnics or airsoft grenades could be used in the same way as above. How about some Geballte Ladungs? Players could rent some for use, and even mines could maybe be used! How about maybe 1 or 2 Goalith mined explosives the Germans used? How about a WW2 themed rest area? I have seen C47 trucks on here before, so why not Horsa/Waco Glider trucks. The glider trucks would follow the C47 trucks, then when the cut off point is the glider trucks would follow their "glide paths" and then land. The pilot would pull a card out, as each member inside the glider has a certain number to them. A pilot card could read "HOWITZER DAMAGED FIND FIELD REPAIR STOP TO REPAIR" "6, 4, INJURED TIE RED BANDS ON THEIR ARMS. IF HIT AGAIN THEY ARE DEAD" "WHOLE CREW INJURED" You could have various objectives for squads on finding gliders, one thing could be for a small squad to knock out Rommels Asparagus poles. The gliders could be ambushed by Germans and a good firefight could happen. It could carry howitzer, mortars, and crew, and the C47 trucks could drop ammo boxes for the airsoft crews. Here are some ideas! Sdkfz 251forgottenhope.warumdarum.de/images/vehicles/SdKfz%202511%20Hanomag/big.jpg[/img] 7TP Tankette THE 7TP ARE SMALL!!!If you made 2 at one time, the Allies could use is at as a Polish land lease tank for American games Here are some things I want to see made Stuarts, Shermans, Panzer 1
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Post by oberst42 on Aug 27, 2009 2:51:59 GMT -5
now we need an ultra light JU87 stuka and we can have full blown blitzkrieg
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jan 20, 2011 23:26:06 GMT -5
A golf cart done up into a Bren gun carrier or perhaps a Hetzer wouldn't strecth imagination as to cale too much and would add the dynamics that vehicles do add to events. I've had airsoft events with actual armored vehicles and as you can imagine that was pretty cool however in reality aside from being incredibly expensive an actual scaled tank is not very practical for airsoft. The dead zones around a tank where infantry can't be engaged by on board weapons (other than tracks) extends almost to the extent of the range of airsoft weapons so in reality a tank is highly ineffective in airsoft (when it's a real scale tank) A smaller scale is actually more useable and effective.
I've been to alot of airsoft events where vehicles were employed and it is an extremely cool addition to the ambiance when done well.
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Post by morganm on Jan 21, 2011 1:14:18 GMT -5
I like the ideas! I would use golf carts as jeeps though. Come on, we all know we'd prop our golf clubs on the roof as kids and pretend to shoot a machine gun! If your buying 5 golf carts, ($30,000) you might as well buy two Argocats and modify them to have tank hulls. Now that would be cool.
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Post by Fusilier on Jan 21, 2011 15:04:03 GMT -5
Polish Lend Lease???
Whats that??
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Post by Rapture on Jan 21, 2011 16:05:13 GMT -5
Im sorry but golf carts are not enhancing the ww2 experience for me
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Post by CharleyNovember on Jan 21, 2011 16:31:24 GMT -5
ok...opinions differ, but why?
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