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Post by monkeynutz on Sept 22, 2009 15:48:20 GMT -5
Hi All, *WARNING* this is my first post, so forgive me if i put my foot in anything.
First of all i would just like to say..WOW! You guys have rekindled my thirst for airsoft. such knowledge and passion about your hobby, its really good to see!
Ok, i don't get to play much, being of extremely small cash flow and having very expensive kids. once, twice a year tops! But that doesn't stop me thinking about Airsoft, and now i have found this forum, WWII airsoft nearly constantly!
My question/idea is this.. i have always been interested in the effect leadership and teamwork/tactics have on a squad.
i remembering watching TV programs where people have used computer games to test their command skills using huge armies of virtual romans or round-heads etc and there was one short lived series that pitched Swat teams against US seals etc etc in simulated exercises which was very coooool!
Has anything been done for airsoft? Any videos, or websites showing commanders planning their moves, the guys running the mission and then a post contact report to assess the impact?
Have you guys ever documented you events? if you were to set a formal recorded event do you thing the scenerio would need to be tweeked to allow for cameras/camera crews, the commanders over view, real time updates that sort of thing?
It may be a long shot but i need to get my fix somehow and if by learning this stuff remotely i can improve my effectiveness when i finally do get to play then even better!
Thanks for your patience!
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Post by airbornerocks on Sept 22, 2009 16:13:50 GMT -5
Their are lots of tactics in airsoft
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Post by 2nd Bat on Sept 22, 2009 23:36:41 GMT -5
RECONDO school is just such a format. It is a Vietnam Themed event. It is held annually and is a three day event. Course work is provided before the fact in the form of pre-work and classes are provided throughout. Participants are divided into 5 to six man patrols and missions are provided and briefed upon. Patrol members rotate as patrol leaders. Actual Army Rangers who are combat veterans serve as the instructors and lane graders.
They observe each team leader to see that they do adequate patrol planning, an effective briefing and conduct and manage the team well during the patrol. Key observations on their checklists are: Proper use of time, elements covered in their briefing, contingency plans, and whether they rehearsed elements of the patrol (time pernitting) Other GO/ No Go categories are: Did they conduct a commo check? Assign a Chain of command. specify actions enroute and at the objective? Did they inspect their troops and utilize their assistant patrol leader effectively. During the patrol how was their movement? Stealth, Communications, reaction to contact, decisiveness and overall effectiveness as a leader.
The bad guys are located out in Indian Country and react realistically ranging from indiferent movement down trails hauling equipment to active hunter killer teams looking for tracks and sign of the patrols presence. Their camps and equipment caches as well as their movement patterns are what the patrols are out trying to learn about without being compromised.
Most participants get a terrific animated, exciting and challenging weekend and most come back year after year. A few graduate and are awarded a RECONDO partch which graduates proudly wear. This year we had three Vietnam veterans one of which actually taught at the original NhA Trang Vietnam RECONDO school and the other two were RECONDO school graduates and a stateside instructor.
It was cool event. It has been held mostly in the Pacific Northwest although this year it was held in Conneticutt. It is always held in August. I am not familiar with any similar WW2 equivalent.
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Post by monkeynutz on Sept 23, 2009 7:45:55 GMT -5
thanks 2nd Bat,
i did a bit of youtubing and found some footage from those events.
Very cool, very professional. If i was only states side or just had the money! it looks amazing!
Assuming it doesnt all ready exsist, would you guys be interessted in watching the sort of program i described, where groups are pitted against one another not only on the skirmish line but at a tactical company level, with RL comanders trying to outwit the OpFor
I always thought it would be something i would like to see on TV.
If you were charged with putting together an event, so that it could be filmed and produced to promote Milsim Airsoft, then do you think you would need to change the way you design games?
I ask you guys because you seem to value the grasp of tactics over firepower, adapting the game to make it more realistic and challenging. A value i hold in high regard.
If you were watching WWII Milsim TV, can you describe your perfect program?
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Post by Lev on Sept 23, 2009 9:57:33 GMT -5
Assuming it doesnt all ready exsist, would you guys be interessted in watching the sort of program i described, where groups are pitted against one another not only on the skirmish line but at a tactical company level, with RL comanders trying to outwit the OpFor I always thought it would be something i would like to see on TV. Do it with celebrities and you might be on to something. Give five has-beens to each squad leader, preferably some ex-military killing machine. I'd consider wasting one-hour of my life to watch Gary Coleman shoot Vanilla Ice in the face. THAT'S entertaintment.
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Post by monkeynutz on Sept 23, 2009 10:20:36 GMT -5
Hehe, not exactly what i had thought about, but now you say it.. i like it.. anyone got the number for Gary Oldmans agent?
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Post by 2nd Bat on Sept 23, 2009 13:48:32 GMT -5
I always thought some adaptation on a well run airsoft event would make for good TV although positioning the cameras so they capture everything without upsetting the element of surprise would be challenging.
My group is frequently asked to put on events in various locations but the expense and logistics are fairly expensive as you might imagine.
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Post by Lev on Sept 23, 2009 15:03:20 GMT -5
Did I mention that Gary Coleman is dressed like Kurt Meyer?
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Post by 2nd Bat on Sept 23, 2009 17:54:14 GMT -5
Well so much for that idea. Without you how could anyone expect to gain audience share?
Seriously we had participants who did not wish to be filmed during events that were receiving media coverage and that was easy to accomodate. Participants always have to sign a release in order to appear on camera anyway and this provides additional protection for folks not wishing to be broadcast. That's true with still pictures as well.
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Post by monkeynutz on Sept 24, 2009 3:42:10 GMT -5
ok, so when i win the lotto, get 100 camera happy ppl, and lots of head cams, Eng's and maybe a UAV for flyovers (warning DREAM MODE) then what sort of battle would you like to be a fly on the wall at? being able to see the commanders and understand their decicsions then being able to follow the troops on the ground as they carry through the plan and finally seeing the out come from both sides? i was thinking along the lines of Saving Private Ryan meets Ross Kemp In Afganistan for a visual style.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Sept 25, 2010 1:52:06 GMT -5
There was a TV reality series combat missions and it somewhat followed the lines of what you're envisioning. I would love to see a WW2 themed approach with perhaps Captain Dye (Consultant and hollywood trainer for numerous war movies) or perhaps R Lee Ermey as the driving hosts.
Better still would be combat veterans with extensive background. Tilt Meyer, Cal Rollins, Kenn Miller etc.
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Post by CharleyNovember on Sept 25, 2010 9:51:09 GMT -5
Somehow I don't think he's still working on this man. hehehe. "Last Edit: Sept 24, 2009, 3:42am by monkeynutz"
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Post by 2nd Bat on Sept 25, 2010 11:00:44 GMT -5
oops missed the 2009 part!
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