kalbs
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Post by kalbs on Apr 7, 2010 5:50:46 GMT -5
Guys... please. The poor guy was just asking about his impression and we end up in some debate above wearing/ not wearing a swastika and it's history.
Please stay on topic
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Post by Fusilier on Apr 7, 2010 7:48:55 GMT -5
Just pointing out that it is unlikely for an EM to have a early tunic. Most reenactment groups reserves the 36s for officers only. There's the oversea cap for early war impressions, but it is also used through out the war. Plus the fact that German very rarely enter combat in caps. But than I guess your impression can qualify as the REMF of the Heer easily. Side note for giggles. Ananda Marga: RSS: Only crazy westerners, who think they are better than everyone else, make such a stigma out of the symbol. I grew up seeing it on the map, and around my grandmother's house. those moral polizei who goes around pointing fingers when they have no idea what's going on sickens me. >>> M36 tunics were worn by every rank throughout the War. Officers,EM's everyone. Officers wore M42/43 and M44 tunics as well. all ranks wore what was issued or on hand at the time. I've seen pics from Berlin in '45 with old men and young HJ's wearing them. IDK why people think it was primarily an officers tunic. Officers tunics were USUALLY made from different , finer materials, and mostly didn't have the same features as enlisted tunics, belt hook holes,internal suspenders, etc. Same goes for overseas caps. You still see a lot of them in 45 as well. A lot of reenactors THINK, wrongly,that you can't wear so called early war stuff after 42 or 43. the Germans just didn't toss out all stuff that was made prior to 1943 or 44,most was used till it was worn out or reissued to new recruits.Same goes for helmets. I hear some units say you have to have an M43 stahlhelm for later war events. I never heard anything more ridiculous! The same goes for jackboots. Anyway,you get the picture..
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gadge
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Post by gadge on Apr 7, 2010 8:31:25 GMT -5
The above is quoted for truth Also dont worry about shades of kit mismatching, they did in the war. As production got harder many uniforms used old ones stripped down and recyled, pieces range from brown to slate grey and its all called field grey, the reason the bottle green collar and shoulder tabs were discontinued is that grey was easier to make. Its not impossible for you tunic to have been supplied by one manufacturer and for you do have replacement boards from another that dont match. I have three tunics and two pairs of trousers in field grey and none of them are exactly the same shade (as are the hats - two overseas hats and an m43), thats historically correct. Fully matching shades of feldgrau is unlikely! On an side note with camo article you can somtimes find pockets or even entire sleeves in slightly different shades, they used *every* scrap of cloth they had regardless of wheter it matched.
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Post by max1337 on Apr 7, 2010 20:12:22 GMT -5
the idea was to be "uniform" I believe. Personally I prefer the M36 as well, but since M40 was the most common tunic available well into the war, I opted for the common.
But of course since the quartermaster system during the war was so complex, everyone was losing track of stuffs.
And definitely don't buy into the shading bs, it's a modern marketing scheme to lure collectors that have not done some reading.
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Post by CharleyNovember on Apr 7, 2010 20:47:16 GMT -5
"And definitely don't buy into the shading bs, it's a modern marketing scheme to lure collectors that have not done some reading. " Please explain?
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Post by max1337 on Apr 7, 2010 21:43:04 GMT -5
A lot of vendors sell their things advertising as the correct wartime wool color, but the truth is there is really no real correct wool shade. As long as it's in the ball park, it works. And a lot of reenactors love to go around and point at people saying the tunic color is off etc. I think it is an excuse for them to justify their purchase and to make themselves feel so much more leet than everyone else. The earlier tunic might share more similar shading, but late war tunic is basically whatever scrap that can recycle to make the tunic. the famous ATF reference.
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Post by CharleyNovember on Apr 7, 2010 22:13:02 GMT -5
Ok cool I was aware of different shades being the norm but i thought you had found some proof that infact all of the wool was one color....sorry.
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Post by Fusilier on Apr 7, 2010 22:15:06 GMT -5
I HIGHLY recommend the book "Feldbluse". It is THE reference on ALL things German WW2 tunic. I wish this book was around 20 years ago.It would've saved me many hundreds of dollars on BS tunics! Well worth the $45!
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Post by Jager.Drü on Apr 10, 2010 11:58:55 GMT -5
Hey man, looks good. Don't let these guys get you down on the covering up the swazi. You met your family half way, so it is a win win. At least you are getting out there and using your kit.
Drew
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Ersatzjack
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"That silly Franz... he thinks we are winning."
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Post by Ersatzjack on Apr 10, 2010 13:13:36 GMT -5
Welcome back Jager.
As far as a correct shade, in the ATF sample photo above, the middle tunic is the correct color. ;D
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Post by CharleyNovember on Apr 10, 2010 13:16:49 GMT -5
One of the most important things certainly more important than sitting on the interwebz debating random pieces of tape on a uniform.
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Post by Jager.Drü on Apr 14, 2010 18:25:28 GMT -5
Welcome back Jager. As far as a correct shade, in the ATF sample photo above, the middle tunic is the correct color. ;D Thanks, To be honest I don't think I have worn my kit since I saw you last.
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