Post by Tough Ombre on Jul 24, 2007 19:43:54 GMT -5
haha thanks! Ya and it feels great to be "not soaking" ya i do put alot of time into my impressions, though i guess not enough. This impression is little 3rd ID more of a combination of the ID's that went ashore at Husky and Avalanche, so there are inaccuracies, this is was i was told on the reenactor forum
Minor changes I would suggest are:
1 - Unless you are an assistant gunner lose the side arm and holster. In the case you are an assistant gunner. Lose the M-1 Garand and exchange it for an M-1 Carbine.
2 - I am unaware of any photo documentation to support your wearing the .45 ammo pouch in that fashion. Lose it. In the case of an assistant gunner, preplace the cartridge belt with a pistol belt, carbine ammo pouches and wear .45 ammo pouch properly.
3 - Move the e-tool to the Haversack. Run and dive for cover a few times and you'll see why.
4 - Police up that hand grenade. Stow it in your trouser pocket or tape grenade to the suspenders of the haversack. Be sure to tape the ring to the fuse.
5 - While there is limited documentation of the M1928 Haversack being worn as a backpack, you will be better served wearing the suspenders attached to the cartridge belt.
6 - Wear your webgear while running, diving, taking cover and crawling. This will help you know the optimum way to fit it to you. It should not slide, shift, bounce or chafe. Generally the belt is worn higher than you think. After determining the right fit, secure the webbing with friction tape.
7 - Move the gasmask bag up and back more under your armpit. Again wear it around to find best fit. Practice snatching the mask from the bag to make sure it is feasible.
8 - The flotation belt is worn above the cartridge belt.
9 - Dye or replace your t-shirt with OD 3#. Check the photo record...very few white t-shirts.
10 - Get a trouser belt.
11 - Fill out the haversack with rations, personal kit and spare socks and raincoat.
12 - Check the date for the division insignia appearing on the helmet. Husky may be to early.
13 - Press your shirt.
I offer these only has a suggestion. Do a little more photo research.
Get a copy of FM 21-100 Basic Soldier's Field Manual. Here's a link to one for only 99 cents.
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Glad to see a young buck like you putting together a solid MTO impression!!
See you in the assembly area!
Tom
Alright Cary,
Tom and Chris give you some VERY good advice. However, there are four questions you have to ask yourself.
#1. What regiment do I want to portray? There are three regiments within the 3rd Infantry Division(U.S. 7th, 15th, and 30th Infantry Regiments)
(Primarily you ask yourself this question because not all the regiments in the US 3rd Infantry Division had the same things and that pertains to the authenticity of the impression)
#2. Whats appropriate to wear for the regiment?(You ask yourself this question to make sure you don't buy anything you don't need to complete the impression and it helps you in not wasting you funds on things you don't need as opposed to things you do need)
#3. What time frame do I want to portray?(This of course you've already established between Operation Husky: July 1943 and Operation Avalanche: September 1943)
#4. What role do I want to portray? Rifleman? or an Asst. Machine Gunner?(This will also further narrow down the equipment needed to pull off the impression)
Research is imperative to an authentic impression I can't stress it enough to my guys in the 30th Infantry Regiment here in Georgia. Authenticiy and research is the #1 & #2 factors that we look at.
Now onto the information given to you in earlier post... Tom is quite right your off in the right direction. However, the research is going be your best friend in the long run.
#1.) I'd say you could do either or...I've seen Asst. Gunners with either weapon. M-1 Rifle or M-1 Carbine.
#2.) I'd lose the .45 pouch.
#3.) Actually, its fine to have the M-1910 "T" Handle shovel in that position on the M-1923 Cartridge Belt. I've seen photos and actual footage of them being worn by members of the 7th Infantry in that fashion during Op. Husky. However, Toms right the darn thing will beat up your knees with little effort...
#4.) According to photos and veteran accounts from the US 3rd Infantry Division they wore the grenades clipped to the M-1923 Cartridge Belt.
#5.) & #6.)... Tom's quite right...
#7.) The US 3rd Infantry Division didn't wear gasmasks for Op. Husky or Op. Avalanche... in the numerous photos I have of the US 3rd Infantry Division in Sicily and Southern Italy there are no gasmasks to be found.
#8.) Tom is correct...
#9.) Actually I have a photo of several US 3rd Infantry Division soldiers belonging to the 30th Infantry coming ashore during Op. Avalanche and they are wearing a mixture of OD tank tops and white t-shirts...
Here ya go...
i130.photobucket.com/albums/p254/aco_30thir_3rdid/30thIRAvalanche43.jpg
*Note* Check out the guy on the far right....
#10.) Definitely..you don't want your pants to fall down in the face of th eenemy.. LOL
#11.) Your M-1928 Haversack definitely fill it out with the various stuff Tom told you about. However, the raincoat with the 3rd Infantry Division soldiers is more common worn over the back of the M-1923 Cartridge Belt.
#12.) For Operation Husky and Op. Avalanche the US 3rd Infantry Division as a whole did not wear any insignia on their M-1 Helmets until shortly after their landing at Anzio during Op. Shingle in Jan. 1944. If you check in the insignia area in the US section of the forums I have posted the whole low down on the insigina for the US 3rd Infantry Division during WWI and WWII. However, the the US 15th and 30th Infantry Regiments for both the above mentioned operations minus Shingle these two regiments did utilize Vesicant paint on their helmets in their own individual camo patterns.
#13.) Tom again is correct...look sharp soldier...LOL
Now for things NOT mentioned...
#1.) The liner chinstrap on the helmet do away with it... the vast majority of US 3rd Infantry Division soldiers didn't wear them. They either cut them off, if they were fixed on to the helmet or they unclipped them and threw them away. If you have a flat buckle chinstrap(early) you can strap it down to the liner and set the shell down on top of the strap and that was done also.
#2.) HBT Pants...do away with as you stated. The US 3rd Infantry Division soldiers didn't wear them in combat unless you were either Armor attached to the division or within a support unit. The infantry didn't wear them in combat. They utilized them for what they were intended for...a working mans uniform but, they did wear them around camp as well.
#3.) If you don't have one already...get a patch for that left shoulder.
Other than that...a good resource for photos and information on the US 3rd Infantry Division
Denis Toomey and my good friends website... www.dogfacesoldiers.org
Rich Heller's Website... www.warfoto.com/
History of The US 3rd Infantry Division In World War II... by Donald G. Taggert
History of The US 30th Infantry Regiment In World War II... by Infantry Journal Press
From Fedela to Salzburg! The History of The US 7th Infantry Regiment In World War II... by Infantry Journal Press
The last two are Out of Print... However, you can locate them on ebay from time to time...they will be 1947 1st Editions though thats the only time they were printed.
If you'd also like to discuss anything US 3rd Infantry Division related feel free to join our forums at:
friscan.proboards49.com/index.cgi
We have sections for every aspect of the U.S. 30th Infantry Regiment and the US 3rd Infantry Division as a whole on our forums and we have members from all across the country from various US 3rd Infantry Division units, such as:
Able Co., US 7th Infantry Regiment(Maryland, New York, Pennsylvania, and Virginia)
Fox Co., US 7th Infantry Regiment(Louisiana)
Item Co., US 15th Infantry Regiment(California)
King Co., US 15th Infantry Regiment(Florida)
Able Co., US 30th Infantry Regiment(Georgia)
Fox Co., US 30th Infantry Regiment(Virginia)
Fox Trp., US 3rd Reconnaissance Troop(Wisconsin)
US 3rd Signal Company(California)
Anyways, I hope all of this helps you out and good luck on the impression.
Kind Regards,
FRISCAN
Friscan said:
tomclegg said:
All in all you're off to a good start.Minor changes I would suggest are:
1 - Unless you are an assistant gunner lose the side arm and holster. In the case you are an assistant gunner. Lose the M-1 Garand and exchange it for an M-1 Carbine.
2 - I am unaware of any photo documentation to support your wearing the .45 ammo pouch in that fashion. Lose it. In the case of an assistant gunner, preplace the cartridge belt with a pistol belt, carbine ammo pouches and wear .45 ammo pouch properly.
3 - Move the e-tool to the Haversack. Run and dive for cover a few times and you'll see why.
4 - Police up that hand grenade. Stow it in your trouser pocket or tape grenade to the suspenders of the haversack. Be sure to tape the ring to the fuse.
5 - While there is limited documentation of the M1928 Haversack being worn as a backpack, you will be better served wearing the suspenders attached to the cartridge belt.
6 - Wear your webgear while running, diving, taking cover and crawling. This will help you know the optimum way to fit it to you. It should not slide, shift, bounce or chafe. Generally the belt is worn higher than you think. After determining the right fit, secure the webbing with friction tape.
7 - Move the gasmask bag up and back more under your armpit. Again wear it around to find best fit. Practice snatching the mask from the bag to make sure it is feasible.
8 - The flotation belt is worn above the cartridge belt.
9 - Dye or replace your t-shirt with OD 3#. Check the photo record...very few white t-shirts.
10 - Get a trouser belt.
11 - Fill out the haversack with rations, personal kit and spare socks and raincoat.
12 - Check the date for the division insignia appearing on the helmet. Husky may be to early.
13 - Press your shirt.
I offer these only has a suggestion. Do a little more photo research.
Get a copy of FM 21-100 Basic Soldier's Field Manual. Here's a link to one for only 99 cents.
cgi.ebay.com/FM-21-100-Basic-Field-Manual-Soldiers-Handbook-1941_W0QQitemZ180140953163QQcmdZViewItem
Glad to see a young buck like you putting together a solid MTO impression!!
See you in the assembly area!
Tom
Alright Cary,
Tom and Chris give you some VERY good advice. However, there are four questions you have to ask yourself.
#1. What regiment do I want to portray? There are three regiments within the 3rd Infantry Division(U.S. 7th, 15th, and 30th Infantry Regiments)
(Primarily you ask yourself this question because not all the regiments in the US 3rd Infantry Division had the same things and that pertains to the authenticity of the impression)
#2. Whats appropriate to wear for the regiment?(You ask yourself this question to make sure you don't buy anything you don't need to complete the impression and it helps you in not wasting you funds on things you don't need as opposed to things you do need)
#3. What time frame do I want to portray?(This of course you've already established between Operation Husky: July 1943 and Operation Avalanche: September 1943)
#4. What role do I want to portray? Rifleman? or an Asst. Machine Gunner?(This will also further narrow down the equipment needed to pull off the impression)
Research is imperative to an authentic impression I can't stress it enough to my guys in the 30th Infantry Regiment here in Georgia. Authenticiy and research is the #1 & #2 factors that we look at.
Now onto the information given to you in earlier post... Tom is quite right your off in the right direction. However, the research is going be your best friend in the long run.
#1.) I'd say you could do either or...I've seen Asst. Gunners with either weapon. M-1 Rifle or M-1 Carbine.
#2.) I'd lose the .45 pouch.
#3.) Actually, its fine to have the M-1910 "T" Handle shovel in that position on the M-1923 Cartridge Belt. I've seen photos and actual footage of them being worn by members of the 7th Infantry in that fashion during Op. Husky. However, Toms right the darn thing will beat up your knees with little effort...
#4.) According to photos and veteran accounts from the US 3rd Infantry Division they wore the grenades clipped to the M-1923 Cartridge Belt.
#5.) & #6.)... Tom's quite right...
#7.) The US 3rd Infantry Division didn't wear gasmasks for Op. Husky or Op. Avalanche... in the numerous photos I have of the US 3rd Infantry Division in Sicily and Southern Italy there are no gasmasks to be found.
#8.) Tom is correct...
#9.) Actually I have a photo of several US 3rd Infantry Division soldiers belonging to the 30th Infantry coming ashore during Op. Avalanche and they are wearing a mixture of OD tank tops and white t-shirts...
Here ya go...
i130.photobucket.com/albums/p254/aco_30thir_3rdid/30thIRAvalanche43.jpg
*Note* Check out the guy on the far right....
#10.) Definitely..you don't want your pants to fall down in the face of th eenemy.. LOL
#11.) Your M-1928 Haversack definitely fill it out with the various stuff Tom told you about. However, the raincoat with the 3rd Infantry Division soldiers is more common worn over the back of the M-1923 Cartridge Belt.
#12.) For Operation Husky and Op. Avalanche the US 3rd Infantry Division as a whole did not wear any insignia on their M-1 Helmets until shortly after their landing at Anzio during Op. Shingle in Jan. 1944. If you check in the insignia area in the US section of the forums I have posted the whole low down on the insigina for the US 3rd Infantry Division during WWI and WWII. However, the the US 15th and 30th Infantry Regiments for both the above mentioned operations minus Shingle these two regiments did utilize Vesicant paint on their helmets in their own individual camo patterns.
#13.) Tom again is correct...look sharp soldier...LOL
Now for things NOT mentioned...
#1.) The liner chinstrap on the helmet do away with it... the vast majority of US 3rd Infantry Division soldiers didn't wear them. They either cut them off, if they were fixed on to the helmet or they unclipped them and threw them away. If you have a flat buckle chinstrap(early) you can strap it down to the liner and set the shell down on top of the strap and that was done also.
#2.) HBT Pants...do away with as you stated. The US 3rd Infantry Division soldiers didn't wear them in combat unless you were either Armor attached to the division or within a support unit. The infantry didn't wear them in combat. They utilized them for what they were intended for...a working mans uniform but, they did wear them around camp as well.
#3.) If you don't have one already...get a patch for that left shoulder.
Other than that...a good resource for photos and information on the US 3rd Infantry Division
Denis Toomey and my good friends website... www.dogfacesoldiers.org
Rich Heller's Website... www.warfoto.com/
History of The US 3rd Infantry Division In World War II... by Donald G. Taggert
History of The US 30th Infantry Regiment In World War II... by Infantry Journal Press
From Fedela to Salzburg! The History of The US 7th Infantry Regiment In World War II... by Infantry Journal Press
The last two are Out of Print... However, you can locate them on ebay from time to time...they will be 1947 1st Editions though thats the only time they were printed.
If you'd also like to discuss anything US 3rd Infantry Division related feel free to join our forums at:
friscan.proboards49.com/index.cgi
We have sections for every aspect of the U.S. 30th Infantry Regiment and the US 3rd Infantry Division as a whole on our forums and we have members from all across the country from various US 3rd Infantry Division units, such as:
Able Co., US 7th Infantry Regiment(Maryland, New York, Pennsylvania, and Virginia)
Fox Co., US 7th Infantry Regiment(Louisiana)
Item Co., US 15th Infantry Regiment(California)
King Co., US 15th Infantry Regiment(Florida)
Able Co., US 30th Infantry Regiment(Georgia)
Fox Co., US 30th Infantry Regiment(Virginia)
Fox Trp., US 3rd Reconnaissance Troop(Wisconsin)
US 3rd Signal Company(California)
Anyways, I hope all of this helps you out and good luck on the impression.
Kind Regards,
FRISCAN