TommyGunner
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Post by TommyGunner on Apr 26, 2007 21:12:00 GMT -5
I have a cover but its not correct for early USMC and the straps are actually identical to ww2 straps except I was too lazy and didnt sew them on so I left the metal clips on.
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Post by Gordak on Apr 28, 2007 17:18:57 GMT -5
stich nazi thread means, dont be lazy, and were 100% perfect stuff, The helmet is way off. The chin strap, aside from being beyond any kind of help, even looks nylon. the shot of the helmet on the ground reveals is has a vietnam liner also,
Cool pictures, they just don't belong in the stitch nazi thread
Id also like to see evidence of the m1928s that had m1a1 stocks, that's something Ive never heard of (though im not that knowlegable on it)
-Gordak
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Post by ivymp4 on Apr 28, 2007 20:13:03 GMT -5
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TommyGunner
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Post by TommyGunner on Apr 28, 2007 23:48:34 GMT -5
Well Ya learn somthing new everyday, I was under the impression that the helmates stayed the same, Ill see what I can do about getting the right one (not something I ever concidered really having to look into) and I certainly cant justify spending $250 on a wood kit for the correct stock when I could spend that money and put new mechanical pegs on my Cello first. But im gonna have to look into converting a reall M1928 stock, also Im concidering filling in the ridges on the barrel to get the correct M1928A1 look, and I cant remeber where the hell I saw this pic but I have seen a pic of an M1928A1 with an M1A1 stock, I belive it was field modded but who knows certainly not a factory made item.
Ill be delteing these pics soon, screw taking new ones dont have enough time for a few months plus our local surplus guy is going out of buisness so having him locate a helmate is out of the question, Im not to shure when I can get a correct WW2 one so mine will simply have to do till I can get one.
Thanks for the input.
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Post by bullets on Apr 29, 2007 5:32:28 GMT -5
Tommy gunner, is there a particular reason why your shovel isnt attached to your Haversack? The wire hanger goes onto that little flap with the grommets just above the meatcan pouch
Also, Russian, the cover to your T-Handle is on wrong
And as for the Camoed helmet, yeah it looks cool, but unless your doing 517th Parachute Regimental Combat Team, drop it, its not historically accurate
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Post by Nimlas on Apr 29, 2007 8:16:07 GMT -5
Have you not heard of ebay TG? Or looking at the hordes of WWII militaria dealers? Doesn't take a surplus store owner to track down a helmet.
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Post by Russian on Apr 29, 2007 10:39:46 GMT -5
"Also, Russian, the cover to your T-Handle is on wrong"
Care to elaborate? I hate the haversack..
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Post by bullets on Apr 29, 2007 11:53:45 GMT -5
"Also, Russian, the cover to your T-Handle is on wrong" Care to elaborate? I hate the haversack.. it looks like you took the strap on the cover and went under the blade across the back of the handle and then buckled it It supposed to cross diagonally across the front of the handle then wrap around the back and cross over itself and be buckled making a little X pattern, it makes the cover look better and it wont have those lines and wrinkles.
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Post by Tough Ombre on Apr 29, 2007 20:18:42 GMT -5
Umm.... i don tknow hot to say this nice, but..... IT DOESNT MATTER!!! Not every guy in every unit is going to have his t-hande in an X pattern..... Also, what cammoed helmet are you talking about.. i just see a vesicant painted one... which for 82 is completly accurate. Ivy, A: your suspenders should be the inside one( closest to your armpits should be lose or attached to you musette, then the ones that go over your chest should be straight down, the 2nd or 3rd grommets should be the ticket. Also, a undershirt either wool or just a white t-shirt should be worn, because army regulations were a t-shirt is to be worn underneath it would probably be a little more comfortable too -Cary
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Post by Tough Ombre on Apr 29, 2007 20:29:03 GMT -5
here is a pic of how your suspenders should look
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Post by ivymp4 on Apr 29, 2007 21:51:29 GMT -5
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Post by bullets on Apr 29, 2007 22:39:36 GMT -5
Umm.... i don tknow hot to say this nice, but..... IT DOESNT MATTER!!! Not every guy in every unit is going to have his t-hande in an X pattern..... Also, what cammoed helmet are you talking about.. i just see a vesicant painted one... which for 82 is completly accurate. Ivy, A: your suspenders should be the inside one( closest to your armpits should be lose or attached to you musette, then the ones that go over your chest should be straight down, the 2nd or 3rd grommets should be the ticket. Also, a undershirt either wool or just a white t-shirt should be worn, because army regulations were a t-shirt is to be worn underneath it would probably be a little more comfortable too -Cary If your going for historical accuracy, then yes it does, it also puts less stress on the strap, prolonging the life of your cover. It may be correct for a Pathfinder, but otherwise it wasnt overly common, the 82nd is notorious for having vanilla helmets
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Post by wade on Apr 30, 2007 14:26:02 GMT -5
TommyGunner: There is a Militaria Show coming up around detroit. It's probably a 2-3 hour drive from Chicago, but trust me, It'll be worth it. I'll post the information later in the General board. Semper Fi Marine.
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Post by Tough Ombre on Apr 30, 2007 17:02:51 GMT -5
Ivy, im not calling them farbs, but where at and what unit do you know of for those pics. To me the first looks to be training in Georgia or North Africa, and same for the second. Bullets, during combat, you are going to put your cover on however. i used to have pics of shovels on however. I have seen them on however you could think to put them on. I also know for a fact that in italy the vesicant painted helmets were fairly common, also, they didnt have pathfinders until i believe Normandy. I have never seen a vanilla helmet either. I have seen a marbled vesicant, where they just swirled the vesicant on ( very cool) but never a vanilla helmet. -Cary
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Post by wade on Apr 30, 2007 17:20:26 GMT -5
No, they used pathfinders in Sicily, but the reason the Airborne Operation failed was because they wern't issued the radar navigation equipment until Normandy, which is probably what you were thinking of.
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Post by bullets on Apr 30, 2007 17:45:52 GMT -5
Bullets, during combat, you are going to put your cover on however. i used to have pics of shovels on however. I have seen them on however you could think to put them on. I also know for a fact that in italy the vesicant painted helmets were fairly common, also, they didnt have pathfinders until i believe Normandy. I have never seen a vanilla helmet either. I have seen a marbled vesicant, where they just swirled the vesicant on ( very cool) but never a vanilla helmet. -Cary They would have loaded the shovel before they went into combat. If you have a T Handle its painfully obvious how the cover goes on. By vanilla, i mean plain. no crazy paint or logos beside the regimental one. If he is doing sicily to germany, it would be more correct to have it plain green as they were ordered to repaint pre-Neptune.
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Post by Nimlas on Apr 30, 2007 18:15:54 GMT -5
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Post by wade on Apr 30, 2007 19:33:51 GMT -5
Bullets: There was no "official way" to use any of the equipment. Thompson cells supposed to be put on the belt sometimes found themselves hooked on the suspenders, or camo silk cut from a parachute could be used as a helmet cover. Soldiers placed and used their equipment however they were comfortable with it. Individualism was common with all soldiers, no two used it the same.
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Post by bullets on Apr 30, 2007 20:48:37 GMT -5
Nimlas, i dont have a problem with helmet camo in Africa or Sicily, but post-italy its not correct
Wade, there is an offical way to wear EVERYTHING. this is the US army we are talking about here. The Holland jump is perfect example. Offically, every trooper was suposed to jump with their weapon in a bag, but most "lost" it a few hour before taking off
A phrase from my uncle who was Air Defense Artillery, "There is the right way, the wrong way, and the Army way." If you look at original manuals from the companies that produce equipment, you will see that they can differ WILDLY from the army manual. I agree that solider messed with stuff, the bayonet on the haversack being a perfect example. However, some things were not messed with because it worked, the shovel being so.
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Post by ivymp4 on Apr 30, 2007 22:47:07 GMT -5
m-14 the first one is of troopers of the 505th marching in to Naples in 43 and the second is of Lt. Bob Piper of the 505 right before the Sicily jump
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Post by wade on May 1, 2007 6:03:41 GMT -5
bullets: I know there is an official way to wear everything, but combat isn't a beauty contest. Soldiers wore their gear how they were comfortable with it.
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TommyGunner
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Post by TommyGunner on May 1, 2007 9:10:58 GMT -5
There is an officail way to wear everything but most soldiers could give a crap and wore there gear they way it best suited them.
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Post by Gordak on May 1, 2007 9:37:20 GMT -5
"i dont have a problem with helmet camo in Africa or Sicily but post-italy its not correct"
Bullets,
its basic knowlege, Yes, 101st AB easy company did not have camo paint on their helmets, but many 82nd AB and other units did.
Lots of pictures where you can clearly see the cammo at normandy The Gas camo seems to be the dominante patern, it was usually heavily worn, (see Nimlas's helmet) I have seen vetrans helmets, that still retain the paint to this day, and they were still wearing them in may of '45
-Gordak
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Post by Tough Ombre on May 1, 2007 11:07:48 GMT -5
I would still suggest a t-shirt lol -Cary
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Post by bullets on May 1, 2007 11:31:38 GMT -5
"i dont have a problem with helmet camo in Africa or Sicily but post-italy its not correct" Bullets, its basic knowlege, Yes, 101st AB easy company did not have camo paint on their helmets, but many 82nd AB and other units did. Lots of pictures where you can clearly see the cammo at normandy The Gas camo seems to be the dominante patern, it was usually heavily worn, (see Nimlas's helmet) I have seen vetrans helmets, that still retain the paint to this day, and they were still wearing them in may of '45 -Gordak I have a Holland event comming up, so i have been doing extensive research on the 82nd around the time period, and i have yet to come across a vesicant helmet. I really think its because after Neptune, a lot of Sicily and NoAf vet were killed, and their helmets got scrapped.
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TommyGunner
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Post by TommyGunner on May 1, 2007 11:37:54 GMT -5
Bullets, the reason my shovel is not attached to the hook holes is becuase if for some reason I ever needed to get it out in a hurry I wouldnt have to fumble with reaching in and around to undo the strap and pull out the shovel, I can simpyl grab it and pull the cover off.
Basically I bought the gear and set it up how I would feel comfortable using it in combate.
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Post by Nimlas on May 1, 2007 14:04:22 GMT -5
Bullets, Did you miss the part where I said I DID NOT use that pot for post Italian Campaign events?
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Post by bullets on May 1, 2007 14:07:33 GMT -5
No i saw that, i was responding to a different post.
Does the shovel fall out Tommy? Something i may have to try...
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TommyGunner
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Post by TommyGunner on May 2, 2007 9:04:43 GMT -5
Nope I put the end of it in the bottom strap of the Haversack so it doesnt fall out, I also have a peice of laceing that holds my machete in place the goes over the botom also, it never falls out.
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Post by kosb on May 2, 2007 11:23:21 GMT -5
Ivy, A: your suspenders should be the inside one( closest to your armpits should be lose or attached to you musette, then the ones that go over your chest should be straight down, the 2nd or 3rd grommets should be the ticket. Also, a undershirt either wool or just a white t-shirt should be worn, because army regulations were a t-shirt is to be worn underneath it would probably be a little more comfortable too -Cary M-14rifleman I must respectfully disagree with you on this and agree with ivymp4. Not everyone wore their gear the same way. Also his photos are of guys in Sicily. I've talked to several vets who made the jump into Sicily and seen several of their pictures. Alot of them said, and have photos to back it up, that once they got on the ground the ditched their wools and t-shirts for comfort. A+ photos Ivy its nice to see a good Sicily impression.
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