nkronsch
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Post by nkronsch on Sept 22, 2010 18:36:07 GMT -5
Is it possible? I have a few ideas regarding this, post if you want me to share them. I have diagrams and pictures regarding it also.
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Post by nkronsch on Sept 22, 2010 18:36:47 GMT -5
Oh yeah, I mean the Marushin M1 Garand can be converted to an AEG (or something around the marushin) that loads from the top in a standard Garand clip.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Sept 22, 2010 18:55:54 GMT -5
Arrrrrrggggggg. Really? Are we going to step through this again? Pm Mattrosux he has tons of ideas (apparently) Unless you have a lot of experience with AEGS, airsmithing, gearboxes and how airsoft electric guns work please don't even go here. If so knock yourself out and we'd all love to see the ideas with pictures and ideally a working prototype otherwise......let's just not even go here again. For follks obsessing over top loading garand AEGs we get it, we really do but at this point if this is what you require buy a Marushin gas blow back Garand, fire the 200 to 600 rounds through it before it breaks and have fun. Gravity feed systems could probably be created that would work (sort of) but the whole idea of WW2 airsoft is to have weapons that actually work with the least amount of fiddling. The gear box and major mechanicals fill the area immediately below the simulated bolt blocking any feed system you might want to use. If you have the creativity, skills and financially viable means to create a top loading system for a garand and the ability to do it we're all ears
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Post by nkronsch on Sept 22, 2010 19:24:34 GMT -5
k i will get some stuff up later
have homework to do right now
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Post by nkronsch on Sept 22, 2010 20:26:56 GMT -5
My idea was to add an internal magazine mechanism like this: i987.photobucket.com/albums/ae358/kronsch/internalmagazine.png?t=1285205116The magazine has an inner barrel and the hop up is adjusted by actually using a knob on the magazine itself. Personally, I would try to fit a 6.03mm inner barrel into the Garand, and then line up the magazine's inner barrel perfectly. I have access to CADD software and a laser cutter to cut the magazine exactly how I want it, so that is a possibility. There would be a slight loss of accuracy, just like in the D-boys Kar 98k, because of the two piece barrel, however. Lose a bit of accuracy for a bit of realism? It's up to you.
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Post by jimmiroquai on Sept 23, 2010 6:31:47 GMT -5
Ok, but you forgot one little detail...where would you put the gearbox?!
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Post by charleyfoxtrot on Sept 23, 2010 8:21:48 GMT -5
I always wondered why can't airsoft guns be made the same way pball guns are. They are a helluva lot simpler, and they make more realistic noise. The way Co2 tanks keep getting smaller you would be able to hide air sources in most stocks.
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Post by jimmiroquai on Sept 23, 2010 9:22:30 GMT -5
OT: Airsoft started out as simple springers then simple non-blowback gas guns...much like CO2 paintball markers but using freon as CO2 would be too powerful for the tiny bb. The AEG is the "new generation" or airsoft. I think the right question would be...why can't they make pball guns as realistic as airsoft guns? But i don't wana get into a pball vs. airsoft thing....
BTT: If you do want to make your life miserable just to prove that you can make a skirmishable top loading garand AEG, this is what you'll need... 1) A new, ridiculously complex gearbox design that will fit in the stock. 2) A new, ridiculously complex top loading magazine and feed system 3) A new, ridiculously complex hop mechanism 4) Make sure all these line up perfectly
IMHO: Why bother? If you want a top loading garand, just buy the Marushin GBBR (it will come out cheaper than building the above components from scratch). And it will be more realistic. What's the point of having a top loading AEG garand if it doesn't do the other realistic features of the GBBR? If you want a garand AEG, just convert the existing airsoft M14.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Sept 23, 2010 13:43:22 GMT -5
I love the passion and the desire. I can relate to both, I really can, but geeezzzzz folks. Get a clue. jimmiroquai has his arms around the reality and recognizes that the $100,000.00 + developement cost for special purpose gear boxes so you can accomodate one gun model kind of puts a smirch on the whole concept. Unless you plan to sell thousands of them at $2500.00 or so.
Einstein once said "The diference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limitations."
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Post by nkronsch on Sept 23, 2010 15:48:30 GMT -5
thanks for the crit guys. I was just brainstorming, you know, fun little ideas that will probably never be implemented lol
Thanks again!
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Post by nkronsch on Sept 23, 2010 18:35:35 GMT -5
oh yeah, can I close a thread? if so, thread closed
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Post by 2nd Bat on Sept 23, 2010 19:55:36 GMT -5
I think we who have lurked around this site for a decade forget that new folks haven't walked through the same conversation over and over again and for them it seems a perfectly viable and fresh concept. There are a number of subjects that seem to crop back up every four or five months that seem incredibly daft each time they come up.
It's probably a good idea if folks who are new to the site take time (It would take several hours frankly) to peruse the old posts and read about subjects that interest them and have been discussed before. It would be quite interesting and would save them all some embarrassment no doubt.
A couple subjects that come to mind are:
"Why doesn't someone do a carbine conversion? I'm sure it would work if you just...."(Very very limited space and no gearboxes available seem to be small enough or shaped right)
"Will an actual M1 Garand stock work?" (The effort is humongous and the shape is not quite right to accept the gearbox and internals.)
"I want to make a BAR from my M16 gearbox. That would work swell wouldn't it?" (Ah no...)
"Will flectarn jackets work for SS tunics?" (Sure if you really don't care at all about authenticity.)
"Which rifle. pistol, impression...should I get?" (No one cares and it's really personal choice)
"How come no one will build me a made to order, custom gun (otherwise unavailable) for $250.00 or $300.00? " (Because the people who make them are greedy bastards who just want to rape the community)
"Can you make a Springfield, Kar 98, Mosin Nagant, from a vsr type rifle" (Yes there are several threads)
I'm sure there are numerous other annoying threads but those are the ones that come to mind immediately.
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Post by Sgt_Tom on Sept 23, 2010 21:23:35 GMT -5
lol lets hope some people have a sense of humor
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