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Post by cole97 on Jan 3, 2011 2:40:45 GMT -5
hello everyone, i thought id like to review one of the guns that stands out the most in my ww2 airsoft armory. that would be, the marushin m1 carbine. i know alot of people have some pretty bad horror stories of marushins tendancy to suck at gas blow backs, but honestly, i have nothing bad to say about this. this is a really nice reliable gun. LOOKS - first off, this gun looks beautiful. its a post war model, but it could be converted to a ww2 one quite easily with the exception of the magazine and bolt. MAGAZINES - the magazines are great, they dont leak, and of course, this gun is 8mm only so it holds 8mm bbs. it holds up to 20 (i couldnt really fit 21), some people say it holds 15-17, but ive had it feed okay with 18-19. if you use high polish bbs and put silicon lube on them before putting them in the magazine, it will feed good with the maximum amount. there is a pin in the magazine where the follower moves down some and is preventing it from going down all the way. i assume you could hold alot more bbs if you drill this out, but im good with the capacity for now. MATERIAL - this gun seems to be made out of really good metal and very few cast parts. the mag catch and trigger guard are the only things i could find that would be diecast on the external. the trigger group is partially die cast (hammer, disconnector, and valve knocker housing), but its not a big deal. not to mention real wood. PREFORMANCE - first off here, the gun is super light, just like the real carbine. i assume if you leave the gun unloaded (the mag wobbles a bit and makes a small amount of noise) but keep one bb in the chamber, this would be an excellent back up weapon. i found out this gun wont work with duster gas/134a. it needs propane/green gas to function properly. i was having the same problem as Elder90 in his review untill i tested it with propane. the bolt is steel so i wouldnt see it breaking easily. so, with propane and .45g high polish bbs accuracy and range is awesome. it leaves a hell of a dent in some 1mm thick steel from close range, and just as a test, it dented at least 3 times as much than my kjw m1911. you could gauge the FPS by that. range is better than your 1911 backup too. so is accuracy. i found out it reaches out to maybey the 250ft range, and being accurate up to 150-200feet. but being this gun is for tankers or medic's or people that just need an up-close-and-personal gun, this is the best option in my opinion. RELIABILITY - okay, i think besides authenticity and power/accuracy, the reliablility is its coolset feature. when loaded with the proper number of bbs, this gun will never jam and never fail you. i havnt even oiled this gun (it did come stock with some decent grease in it), and it doesnt fail me. the over flow valve on the magazine also makes sure theres not too much power and it gives you just enough to effectively fire all the rounds. CONCLUSION - this gun was expensive on ehobbyasia for $395, for a secondary weapon, but it was worth it. i think this replica of a classic american war horse will serve me for a long time. thanks carbine williams and marushin! pictures:
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Post by Sgt_Tom on Jan 3, 2011 12:25:13 GMT -5
Interesting review. That is an M2 Carbine though. You can tell by the two holes on the rear of the handguard and the banana magazine.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jan 3, 2011 12:49:59 GMT -5
The fact that you're having such good luck with yours is wonderful news. Based on every other review I've seen on this gun you're the only one who is enjoying consistent performance. Get back to us after you've put a thousand rounds through it and have used it at an event.
I've heard it's better than the Marushin Gas Blow Back Garand but that's like saying "For a fat girl she doesn't sweat much."
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Post by Adler69 on Jan 3, 2011 13:32:48 GMT -5
Good review , and yes it is an M2 carbine , bolt is round like the M2 as well as having the M2 rear sight , top handguard as well is that of an M2 , having 4 holes instead of the M1s 2 holes.
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Post by cole97 on Jan 3, 2011 15:59:14 GMT -5
the m2 was select fire. the marushin m1 is a korean war/veitnam era m1 carbine. this one does not have a selector and is semi automatic, and stamped in the face of the receiver with "US CARBINE CAL .30 M1". its an M1, but not completely ww2 friendly. it is still an m1, and like i said, could easily be converted to a ww2 m1 carbine, with the exception that it will have a round bolt and 30 round magazine. i apriciate the comment, but this is an m1, trust me.
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Post by cole97 on Jan 3, 2011 16:13:30 GMT -5
2nd Bat - it is funny that im the only one to truley have consistant behavior of this gun. ive put maybey 500 rounds through it and only one feed problem with the magazine. maybey if i can find a marushin m1 garand ill tell everyone how reliable it is too. LOL. maybey the M1 is better than the M2 and garand, but this gun is nice. ill give everyone a report once i fire a bag of 2000 bbs.
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Post by Adler69 on Jan 3, 2011 16:22:04 GMT -5
but this is an m1, trust me. Alright since you say so in such an expert way .
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Post by cole97 on Jan 3, 2011 17:23:04 GMT -5
haha! its alright. i was just correcting a common misunderstanding. it does get confusing from a distance because the differences between marushin's two carbines are really minor. even though im enjoying the gun as it is, maybey sometime in the future ill convert it to look more ww2 era. maybey not for a while though because this gun is hard to find apparently and i don't quite want to do that yet. id like to see if someone could make a 15 round "period correct" magazine using the top and bottom of the 30 round magazine, the spring and a RS 15 round magazine. then i could use m1 carbine magazine pouches.
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Post by Sgt_Tom on Jan 3, 2011 22:51:41 GMT -5
Why did it come with a banana mag if its an M1? Also where did you get it, could I see a link? Thanks!
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Post by cole97 on Jan 4, 2011 0:21:48 GMT -5
i think marushin did the 30 round magazine just so it would be compatable with the m2. this is where i got the m1 carbine: shop.ehobbyasia.com/marushin-m1-carbine-8mm-maxi-gbb-rifle.html but i got the very last one. its still in stock on den trinity so go get it before it goes out! this gun is very hard to find now. even the m2. also does anyone know of a place that sells magazines that arent 60-70 dollars?
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Post by cole97 on Jan 4, 2011 0:27:28 GMT -5
tokyo hobby also has an m2 still in stock.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jan 4, 2011 0:48:34 GMT -5
It's a gas blow back Marushin. It may be called an M1 but as a replica it is more M2 than M1 It's not a question of IF it's going to eat it's young but a question of how long. Good luck with it. I hope my dire prediction is incorrect and you have years of trouble free operation. If so you will be the only one I have ever heard of being so lucky. The magazines hold both the BBs and the gas and are low volume production items hence are going to be very expensive no matter where you get them.
The rifle was quite common in the Korean War and throughout the Vietnam War. It's a cool replica and hopefully you will continue to enjoy it.
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Post by Sgt_Tom on Jan 4, 2011 11:28:33 GMT -5
Well they could have made a short magazine that is compatible with both rifles........ Looks pretty outta place in a WW2 battle.
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Post by cole97 on Jan 4, 2011 17:49:06 GMT -5
Yeah honestly I don't understand why they couldn't develop a 15 round magazine. I'd try to make a 15 round magazine but I'm really wrapped up in my BAR for now. It is a post war carbine, but hopefully in the future I'll convert it. I might just get new furniture for it if I were to do it. I like the color and the type of wood and finish, but it's not the right shape completely. but there are some nice reproduction M1 carbine stock and handguard sets. A paratrooper stock if I'm really crazy. But for now it's fine.
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Post by greg1980 on Jan 4, 2011 20:25:01 GMT -5
The larger banana magazine is the only magazine available for this gun because the smaller, earlier 15 round magazine dimensions do not offer enough volume to hold all the gas that this gun requires to both shoot those 8mm bowling balls BB AND work the blowback.
AFAIK 30 round mags in an M1 aren't out with the realms of possibility anyway. Carbines were semi auto and to have this functionality replicated in an airsoft gun through gas blowback is more important to me than having the "correct" magazine
I think marushin made the right trade off here.
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Post by cole97 on Jan 4, 2011 22:18:21 GMT -5
like i said in the review, the gun does hold enough gas to empty all BBs effectively, then maybey 9 shots after, then the classic GBB "Pshhhhh". if it held less BBs that would be fine with me because obviously the less the gas tank the less rounds you get. however, only a very small portion of the magazine is taken up by the BBs. the gun already holds 19-21, so id think with a smaller tank and 10-15 rounds would be a good match up. the tank seperates from the rest and i think you could just devise a new gas tank, cut the portion for the bbs and stick it in a new, RS modified m1 carbine magazine. but its simply too much work. the chances of me doing this are slim though. but id like it if anyone has ideas?
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Post by cole97 on Jan 7, 2011 20:33:17 GMT -5
i can also say that the sight adjustment, as crazy as it sounds, is actually useful. windage and elevation on the rear sight goes to great effect and actually works. although i wouldnt think youd have time to adjust it in a firefight. the magazine and air nozzle also suffer little to no cool down effect. you can actually shoot as fast as you can pull the trigger and get about 30 shots worth.
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Post by greg1980 on Jan 12, 2011 7:30:17 GMT -5
I received mines last night.
The gun has the LD2 hop system which is strange to say the least and I think this design is what might be causing some of the poor performance folk have mentioned about this gun so far. Let me explain it in 3 points starting from the chamber:
1) The inner barrel has the regular and adjustable hop unit in front of the chamber, as you would expect. The inner diameter of the barrel acutally seems farily lax and 8mm BBs easily go through it. It certainly isn't tightbore.
2) About halfway along the barrel there are 2 HOLES(!) drilled into either side of the barrel immediately followed by a mild kink.
3) Further along and 1 inch from the muzzle you have a fixed and non adjustable red hop rubber which protrudes into the barrel.
I believe this design is all about conforming to strict Japanese laws about muzzle velocities.
The holes and kink are there to reduce the maximum FPS this gun can do, regardless of which gas you use and the second hop rubber near the muzzle is an attempt compensate and choke the barrel near the muzzle to increase accuracy of the projectile.
After seeing this Im starting to think that the warning you see on most gas airsoft guns gas guns coming out of asia about only using the lower powered HFC-134a gas are there to trick the Japanese market into conforming to the 1 joule law they have over there. Any gun I have had that has had that warning on it has taken green gas with no problems at all, provided regular gas gun maintenance has been carried out on the gun after use.
This is also why TM guns use plastic gearbox parts and only shoot 280 fps stock.
I'm betting that Spartan Imports merely replace the LD2 hop and barrel system with out the barrel hole sand kink with the a regular barrel and this is enough to increase FPS to the expected level. I HIGHLY doubt that the mechanism of their Garands and Carbines guns are any different from the regular version. Put it this way I have an early Marushin M1 Garand with a regular hop and barrel and I can shoot 480fps with 0.34s using green gas. Thats about 2.2 joules. The japenese law states 1 joule maximum. On HFC-134a gas my Garand shoots 260FPS which is round about 1 joule.
Anyway I'll be scrapping the LD2 system from mines and I'm making my own inner barrel from precision 8mm inner diameter steel tube and I'll be using one hop at he breach as per a normal airsoft gun. Marushin 8mm BBs diameter average 7.95mm so the fit should be snug one the inside of the barrel has been polished!
Be interesting to see how the gun performs with the new barrel and regular hop system.
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Post by cole97 on Jan 12, 2011 9:08:53 GMT -5
thanks for this review! im sure this will help people. i thought mine would have the LD2 hopup system too and i was glad when i (pulled the bolt back and made sure it was unloaded multiple times) looked down the barrel and saw only one hopup nub and the very beginning of the barrel. i wish you luck on your new barrel! i think the export versions are alot better in terms of preformance compared to mine and yours, but ive never held a non export so i wouldnt know for sure.
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Post by cole97 on Jan 29, 2011 17:27:15 GMT -5
actually, EB airsoft sells marushin m1/m2 carbine twist barrels and tight bores. also steel hammers and sears the the marushin carbine GBB. (the barrel is a marushin m1 garand tanker barrel). i also drilled the pin out where i said it was limiting the magazine capacity- now it can hold 26 rounds. that would change if i made the magazine shorter... a loss in bbs for a little more authenticity? what do you guys think? also, i was starting to think about replacing the sight and barrel band for RS reproduction ww2 type on both. are they compatible with RS?
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Post by gearkrieg on Jul 13, 2015 16:37:43 GMT -5
Guys HALP! I managed to get across a Marushin AGS M2 carbine down here in chile... but, as you have already noticed, it´s a M2 post WW2 Carbine... And, with my proverbial bad luck, all "regular" airsoft sites that had the M1 15-rd mags are "out of stock" Any recommendations on lesser known airsoft stores that might have those? Thanks in advance
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jul 13, 2015 18:30:29 GMT -5
Even if you find the 15 round magazines they WILL NOT be compatible with your gun as the feed nozzles are COMPLETELY diferent. Don't waste your time or money trying to find them. I wonder now that we're three years down the road if Cole and Greg and still having good experiences with their GBB Marushin carbines. I hope they are. I truly do but i absolutely doubt it.
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Post by daehahn on Jul 13, 2015 20:20:54 GMT -5
Also king arms is realeasing a co2 m1 carbine soon, so maybe wait for that?
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Post by shiftysgarand on Jul 13, 2015 20:45:25 GMT -5
Provided King Arms doesn't use compressed cat litter painted black as the build material like Marushin, yes I would wait for the new offering (mmmm para carbine.)
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Post by Dracul on Jul 13, 2015 21:23:29 GMT -5
Given the rarity of the guns and shipping costs and whatever else you have to deal with normally, I highly doubt anyone would really say you can't use it for a WWII event, regardless of it being a M1 or M2, with the 15 round or 30 round mags.
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Post by gearkrieg on Jul 14, 2015 6:48:23 GMT -5
thanks for the advice guys... an extra level of "reality" is always sought for, but as you recomended, I think I´ll level for "skirmishability" over "reenactment" with my Marushin
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