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Post by morganm on Jan 5, 2011 19:31:23 GMT -5
I was wondering which gun was the better choice.
Ares PPSh-41 Pros- 2,000rd Magazine, Blowback, higher rated brand Cons- "Blonde" wood, expensive ($400)
Hexagon Productions PPSh-41 Pros- Dark wood, cheaper, similar quality, realistic charging handle Cons- 120rd magazine, little known brand
I wanted the Ares since i found it on sale for $199 but shipping was $87. I had heard of the HP PPSh and I knew the Brits and Scots liked it alot, so I guess it is good. The HP PPSh has free shipping and comes with a free leather sling, which will be quickly replaced with a genuine sling. It is also similar in price to a Ares of normal price, without paying for excessive shipping from Hong Kong. The magazines for HP are also $30, wheareas Ares does not sell magazines.
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Post by Fusilier on Jan 5, 2011 20:11:08 GMT -5
I knew the Brits and Scots liked it alot, >> They did?
How would they come into contact with this weapon that was only used on the Eastern Front? If you're doing a British impression,I would advise go with a Sten before a PPSH.
I've never seen a picture of a British/Commonwealth soldier using one.
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Post by CharleyNovember on Jan 5, 2011 20:18:56 GMT -5
Airsofters in the UK liked the HP PPsh is what he is saying..
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Post by Adler69 on Jan 5, 2011 20:41:19 GMT -5
During the Korean War during the Hill battles a few British soldiers used them for a while. The Chinese "gave" them to British. ;D
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Post by jimmiroquai on Jan 5, 2011 21:41:51 GMT -5
ARES con: proprietary gearbox and hop up - if these break, your gun is a wall flower
HP gearbox is Version 7 Cyma (100% TM and G&P compatible) and is readily available Hop up: JG/CA/TM G36 - readily available
This is the main reason i went with HP instead of ARES.
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Post by morganm on Jan 5, 2011 22:22:48 GMT -5
To my first commenter: I was saying UK airsofters loved the HP, not WWII troops liked it. Thankyou CharleyNovember for also clarifying this. The reason I asked is the Ares is on sale for $199 on ehobbyshop asia bit shipping is $87. By the time I buy either (I have US gear to buy first- I'm the only one who has interest in eastern front in my group) the sale would be long over, and back to $385. But the Hexagon looks much better and if it is the ruger 10/22 of airsoft PPSh's (10/22's have so many aftermarket parts for sale you could make your own with them without even buying the factory rifle) then I would buy the HP. So if I break it, it's fixable, and it's $315 and free shipping, I think that's what I'm getting. Thanks for the answers!
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Post by captainbrenandsten on Jan 10, 2011 18:28:56 GMT -5
I'd go with the ARES for a few reasons: 1. Battery compartment is accessed just like the Thompson, the HP you need a philips screwdriver 2. Blow back feature is there if you want it. 3. 560rd stick mags will soon be released.
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Post by morganm on Jan 10, 2011 23:13:36 GMT -5
I'm going with the HP because to me as a teenager $350 is a large investment and I want something a can cheaply and easily fix. Blowback can damage the gearbox and is another thing that can break, and doesn't look dead on since sometimes it only moves halfway up the bolt channel. and if the HP PPSh is able to be fitted with real PPSh magazines I think I'll buy a real 35 round stick mag and a mid cap AEG MP5 mag and put it's guts in the ppsh mag. It might not be an mp5 mag, since it might not have the feed channel in the same place as the HP PPSh's are.
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Post by kalbs on Jan 10, 2011 23:19:33 GMT -5
The mag well is tighter on the HP than the real PPSh and the ARES. You cannot fit a real mag into the HP, I've tried. A real mag can be made to fit the ARES though. Also, an MP5 mag will not fit the HP because the feed is opposite on the HP. Can most likely be done on the ARES but also note ARES is releasing PPSh stick mags very soon.
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Post by morganm on Jan 11, 2011 1:24:04 GMT -5
So if I find the Ares at a US retailer for a good sale like that I might get that instead, but the Ares has a less easily replaceable gearbox, and the HP does. Too bad the HP can't use real magazines. Depending on price differences when I will most likely get this around June this year I'd prefer the Ares for the realistic mag size and stick mags but I wish they would make some mid caps. The stock color doesn't matter, I've seen many real PPSh's with "blonde" would so I'll try to get the Ares and put some better and more common internals in it.
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Post by captainbrenandsten on Jan 17, 2011 20:49:04 GMT -5
My friend just got his ARES ppsh and the stock is much darker (almost looks like a real stock). He ordered it from IMA (International Military Antiques). While it does have, what I believe is, pneumatic blow back. Which, according to G&G and ARES, puts no stress on the gearbox. My friend put a 9.6 1600 mah into the gun and it works just fine. the ROF is fast but, not like a KWA M4, but reasonable. As long as you take good care of it (clean the gearbox every few weeks, and lube all moving parts it should last you quite a long time).
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Post by morganm on Jan 17, 2011 20:56:24 GMT -5
How can you clean the gearbox? I can take apart my firearms quite easily but does this mean cleaning with a cloth or taking the gearbox apart piece by piece and cleaning each little piece?
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Post by cole97 on Jan 19, 2011 22:08:50 GMT -5
yes, both. there are not many parts (generally) in an airsoft gear box, and i can get mine cleaned and put back together in about an 1 1/2 hours roughly. but you have to scrub it all down with a towel and lube it with silicon oil. or gear grease for the gears, but i just use silicon oil on the gears too. make sure to shim the gear box too. im not the best at it, but its not too hard. just takes some time to get it right.
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Post by morganm on Jan 19, 2011 23:01:01 GMT -5
I'll just get an Hexagon. Yeah sure Ares is coming out with stick mags and it's easier to get to the battery, but who says HP won't release stick mags to counter the Ares? And besides, who needs a 2000rd drum and a 560rd stick mag? I'd rather have a more realistic 110rd drum or two. I want this for a Stalingrad impression, and I am pretty sure stick mags weren't made yet in late 1942, one year into the PPSh's production. If HP releases stick mags, no doubt I'll buy them, but I bet a custom made from the guts of another SMG and a home made abs stick mag will solve it.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jan 20, 2011 1:15:40 GMT -5
The guy running hexagon products used to come on this site from time to time and stated that he intended to offer stick mags if I am remembering properly. I have seen and fired both versions and have to say they both impressed me a great deal. Blow back does nothing for me and I see it as more a novelty than a worthwhile feature so if it were me I'd go with the HP and invest in spare mags down the road with the money saved or buy the Tokarov pistol announced by KWA
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Post by morganm on Jan 20, 2011 16:43:33 GMT -5
Thanks. I don't know about the Tokarev, unless they make a propane adapter. I would definitley invest in extra mags and a uniform. I am really tight on money since I am getting together my basic US Impression together, so it's good that the cheaper one is the better way to go- for once in life
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Post by cole97 on Jan 20, 2011 18:08:37 GMT -5
one propane adapter works for all the gas guns ever made....
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Post by morganm on Jan 20, 2011 21:29:10 GMT -5
Oh okay thanks. I've seen propane adapters called WE 1911 propane adapters and such, so I thought they aren't universal
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Post by cole97 on Jan 22, 2011 0:38:27 GMT -5
no problem. the port is basically the same on all, a difference in appearance but dont need different propane adapters. its the kind of port thats on small butane torches/lighters and such. propane adapters are very useful. ive probably saved hundreds of dollars with a propane adapter.
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Post by morganm on Jan 22, 2011 0:50:23 GMT -5
Thanks. Propane costs about $5 for a bottle five times bigger then your average green gas bottle. And I can go to home depot, and not pay an expensive hazmat fee
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Post by CharleyNovember on Jan 22, 2011 0:58:42 GMT -5
Go to Wally World in the camping section they have the little green propane cylinders for camping. I think they are like 6 bucks for two of them and they will last you awhile. Buy one of the propane tank adapters follow the directions for adding oil and you are all set. Don't buy the big ass tanks for your dads grill....lol
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Post by cole97 on Jan 22, 2011 1:20:42 GMT -5
also - a single small bottle of silicon oil will seriously last you forever. ive used one small bottle on all airsoft lubrication i might need for about 2 years now... and its about half empty.
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Post by captainbrenandsten on Feb 1, 2011 7:26:45 GMT -5
ARES has just released their stick mags on red wolf.
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Post by morganm on Feb 1, 2011 22:27:25 GMT -5
Loving the price ($24) but if I got the Ares, why would I ever need a second magazine, when I already have a 2,000 round one? I barely shoot 35 rounds in a typical 25 minute battle! I've decided, when I get around to it, to get the Hexagon model. It's cheaper, fixable, and I don't care about blowback.
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Post by kalbs on Feb 2, 2011 21:25:34 GMT -5
Loving the price ($24) but if I got the Ares, why would I ever need a second magazine, when I already have a 2,000 round one? I barely shoot 35 rounds in a typical 25 minute battle! I've decided, when I get around to it, to get the Hexagon model. It's cheaper, fixable, and I don't care about blowback. I find using the drum very uncomfortable and also what if your single drum mag jams or breaks during a game? I think its a great inexpensive option from ARES. The ARES gearbox is a new design and does take some common parts except the hop-up area parts which to me is a weakness. I own both an HP and the ARES, both have their plus' and minuses. Hexagon Pros-Common internal parts -Realistic finish -Optional drum mid-cap available Hexagon Cons-Will rust very easily, bluing finish is not durable -no stick mag option -overall dimensions are not correct at mag and stock neck -PPSh sling comes with it ARES Pros-Easy to maintain finish -Stick mags available -True dimensions -Larger battery well ARES Cons-Questionable gearbox strength due to blow-back feature -air leaks due to hop-up design (fixable) -No Mid-cap magazines -Finish is not as relaistic (but durable) -some internal parts are not available
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Post by BOBAH on Feb 10, 2011 23:55:17 GMT -5
You can fit a real mag into the HP Attachments:
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Post by BOBAH on Feb 10, 2011 23:56:21 GMT -5
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Post by BOBAH on Feb 10, 2011 23:57:00 GMT -5
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Post by BOBAH on Feb 10, 2011 23:57:30 GMT -5
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Post by jimmiroquai on Feb 12, 2011 6:01:41 GMT -5
NicE! So you can fit a real mag on the HP! What mods did you do?
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