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Post by morganm on Jan 9, 2011 22:10:47 GMT -5
I'm having a tough time deciding if the soviet M35 tunic was "mustard," or a mediumish green. I've always thought it was khaki/mustard but all the M35 tunics I've been seeing are a greenish color, so I'm wondering which is correct? Do they have two different shades or is it picture quality? Thanks
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Post by kalbs on Jan 9, 2011 22:34:34 GMT -5
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Post by morganm on Jan 9, 2011 22:40:00 GMT -5
That's where I got the khaki idea from since they show it at that angle. Everywhere else it's a greenish look, but there camera is at point blank distance, not a little more distant like tridents. Thanks Kalbs.
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Post by Fusilier on Jan 9, 2011 23:41:57 GMT -5
They ran from all different shades of khaki,to green and even gray. Quality control wasn't exactly a priority for the Soviets! they just pumped out the uniforms. The one I have is closer to tan.But my M43 has a greenish tint to it.
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Post by morganm on Jan 9, 2011 23:53:09 GMT -5
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Post by Fusilier on Jan 10, 2011 0:53:08 GMT -5
>> Thats a POST War M-43. Remember. M-35's didn't have shoulder boards!
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Post by morganm on Jan 10, 2011 7:59:55 GMT -5
Thanks fusilier. In That Battle of the Bulge reenactment I've talked to you about in previous threads, do they sell Russian items? Or just US and German?
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Post by kalbs on Jan 10, 2011 9:57:31 GMT -5
>> Thats a POST War M-43. Remember. M-35's didn't have shoulder boards! No quite so mein herr. During the transition period and even later it was common to see shoulder boards attached to M35's. The best way to discribe them apart is the M35 had a collar while the M43 ad the chinese collar. 43's were issued with and without breast pockets. M43's never used the early tab rank system and the rank system changed mid-1943. Here's an example ![](http://www.pbase.com/image/131727412.jpg) ![](http://www.pbase.com/kalbs/image/121357761.jpg) ![](http://www.pbase.com/kalbs/image/121357799.jpg)
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Post by Fusilier on Jan 10, 2011 11:22:05 GMT -5
Thanks fusilier. In That Battle of the Bulge reenactment I've talked to you about in previous threads, do they sell Russian items? Or just US and German? >> Yes,there is usually one or 2 vendors selling Soviet stuff. You even get guys showing up in Soviets uniforms. WHY??? Who knows!
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Post by Fusilier on Jan 10, 2011 11:24:13 GMT -5
YES,there were transition tunics kalbs,my bad. I realized that after my post! M35's also were made with and without pockets as well.
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Post by morganm on Jan 10, 2011 17:13:20 GMT -5
I'll just see what I find at Indian Town Gap. The link I listed was a high rated Ukranian websight bit they use airmail so shipping for a Pilotka is $15, whereas shipping for a pilotka from a US dealer would be around $4. I have alot of American stuff I want to get first so I might break the bank before I get to Russian, but on the list I made one of the things I put was a mess kit and utensils, so I'll remove that. I'll hope I come home with this: M41 jacket and pants, wools, gaiters, my friend said he got his pretty nice service shoes for $25 (repro) a cartridge belt, suspenders and corporal stripes and 1st infantry patches. I calculated that with prices my friend sent me to be $302. It could be around $380 if I can't find the vendor with the cheap boots. I have about $500 so with that $198 left, $80 reserved for Garand conversion so I have $118 for Russian. I'll probobly be able to get a tunic, pants and pilotka with that right? Maybe a belt and canteen? Sorry for the long post but are the Russian vendors original or repro? I'd prefer original, since very few people in my area are interested in WWII and real (electric not $10 spring pistol) airsoft, so I'm lucky to have a 4 man US unit. Russian will be for collecting, and these uniforms aren't going to shred under BB fire and the place i play airsoft most is a field, so no thorns and branches are going to rip it.
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Post by FlyingSquirrelcat on Jan 10, 2011 17:41:30 GMT -5
They ran from all different shades of khaki,to green and even gray. Quality control wasn't exactly a priority for the Soviets! they just pumped out the uniforms. The one I have is closer to tan.But my M43 has a greenish tint to it. Oh so thats what it is. My M43 is greenish but I never was positive if it was green or green bluish, thanks. Apparently the "camo" effect works well too. Ive been told now by a few people that it blends pretty well with the Virginian late fall and winter environment.
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Post by FlyingSquirrelcat on Jan 10, 2011 17:46:30 GMT -5
oh, and which would be better for a mid-late war infantry private impression. Low-pro service shoes with wraps or leather boots(Russian or German)
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Post by morganm on Jan 10, 2011 22:44:40 GMT -5
I have a huge interest in Stalingrad and am writing a story about a Russian soldier in that battle and I hope to turn it into a full scale movie one day, so I want a uniform that would be used in Stalingrad, which would be an M35 since issuing M43 uniforms in January, the last full month of the battle, wouldn't be a top priority over food/ammo supplies, despite soviet supplies being unchallenged from the Luftwaffe at that point in the battle.
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Post by kalbs on Jan 11, 2011 9:44:27 GMT -5
oh, and which would be better for a mid-late war infantry private impression. Low-pro service shoes with wraps or leather boots(Russian or German) Tall boots would probably look best
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Post by Fusilier on Jan 11, 2011 14:53:24 GMT -5
Puttees(leg wraps) were mainly early War,then the boots were issued. Original Soviet boots were made of canvas and leather. Me and my friends use originals. Most of my equipment is original,and I have both early and late War kits. Try this site,they have original and repop stuff. www.ostfront.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc
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Post by morganm on Jan 11, 2011 15:36:24 GMT -5
I have heard of ostfront many times but at the moment they do not have any repro or original M35s. And their originals are very expensive. Do the Russian dealers at Battle of the Bulge sell original items? I'm guessing one of the two is Trident, since they are from PA. I would much prefer original, since it is collectable and I don't really care about this, but it is worth alot more than repro.
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Post by FlyingSquirrelcat on Jan 11, 2011 16:01:03 GMT -5
Would it be a crime to wear East German Jackboots? ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png)
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Post by Fusilier on Jan 11, 2011 17:21:09 GMT -5
Would it be a crime to wear East German Jackboots? ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png) >> Original Russian boots are around,and fairly inexpensive.
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Post by Fusilier on Jan 11, 2011 17:22:32 GMT -5
I have heard of ostfront many times but at the moment they do not have any repro or original M35s. And their originals are very expensive. Do the Russian dealers at Battle of the Bulge sell original items? I'm guessing one of the two is Trident, since they are from PA. I would much prefer original, since it is collectable and I don't really care about this, but it is worth alot more than repro. >> Original Soviet uniforms are 1.Hard to find,EM's are anyway. And 2. VERY expensive when you find them. Original equipment is out there,and not too pricey.
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Post by kalbs on Jan 11, 2011 18:17:30 GMT -5
Would it be a crime to wear East German Jackboots? ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png) In my opinion they would be fine but you will squeek when you walk
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Post by FlyingSquirrelcat on Jan 11, 2011 18:44:36 GMT -5
Would it be a crime to wear East German Jackboots? ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png) In my opinion they would be fine but you will squeek when you walk hehehe So much for stealth ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png) Eh, the russians could care less about stealth, right?
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Post by kalbs on Jan 11, 2011 19:18:15 GMT -5
In my opinion they would be fine but you will squeek when you walk hehehe So much for stealth ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png) Eh, the russians could care less about stealth, right? Using talc powder in your EG boots seems to help with the squeeking. I gave eventually my EG pair away and bought some leather ones with hobb nails. The investment was worth it. However, I think it's a good enough as a starter pair. Note the Russians also used lend lease U.S. ankle boots (not rough outs) so If you were thinking of multiple impressions you could do that as well.
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Post by morganm on Jan 11, 2011 22:32:33 GMT -5
Thanks for the uniform info. I'll try to find some fair priced Russian repro M35 tunic and breeches. Any other excellent repro sites besides ostfront and trident?
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Post by Fusilier on Jan 11, 2011 23:59:54 GMT -5
I gave eventually my EG pair away and bought some leather ones with hobb nails. >> Ah,but REAL Russian boots had a rubber or leather sole. Painted canvas uppers,or shank,leather lowers.
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Post by Fusilier on Jan 12, 2011 0:00:43 GMT -5
Thanks for the uniform info. I'll try to find some fair priced Russian repro M35 tunic and breeches. Any other excellent repro sites besides ostfront and trident? >> Front of Russia. He has a LOT of original items at really good prices.
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Post by morganm on Jan 12, 2011 0:25:06 GMT -5
I found that place and I really liked what I saw but supposedly they have had poor service and items took 5 months to arrive and ended up not being the correct order. When is the last time you ordered from front of Russia fusilier? They allegedly had excellent quality stuff but the owner fired some non customer service friendly workers who I guess turned out to be really good at repro uniforms, so their quality dropped. I'll double check the date of that forum. oh btw in my other thread about the ppsh comparisons I meant British and Scottish airsofters loved the HP PPSh not WWII soldiers!
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Post by Totez on Jan 12, 2011 10:58:00 GMT -5
From what I've heard FoR was fantastic but recently the guy who runs it has run into supply problems and when people make orders he takes a while to get them out and when people receive them they are incorrect sizes or just plain wrong items. He is always willing to exchange items but I believe people have had a hard time getting refunds when they didn't want to exchange because of the whole long wait thing.
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Post by Fusilier on Jan 12, 2011 16:25:12 GMT -5
From what I've heard FoR was fantastic but recently the guy who runs it has run into supply problems and when people make orders he takes a while to get them out and when people receive them they are incorrect sizes or just plain wrong items. He is always willing to exchange items but I believe people have had a hard time getting refunds when they didn't want to exchange because of the whole long wait thing. >> Me and my friends ordered WW2 Russian felt winter boots. 3 pairs.He sent like 5 pairs! None fit me unfortunately. He also THREW in like 3 pair of original WW2 trigger finger mittens,a pack of Russian cigs,and a couple Russian tchotzkes!
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Post by volkssturm on Jun 26, 2011 0:42:18 GMT -5
Would it be a crime to wear East German Jackboots? ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png) A while ago I read "Into the Maelstrom" by Gorbachevsky (don't recall his first name). He mentions sneaking into no man's land at night to recover boots from the dead. They didn't care if the boots were Russian or German. He also mentions US boots that were part of Lend Lease supplies.
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