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Post by krumlauf83 on Jan 24, 2011 16:51:21 GMT -5
I`m considering converting a Yugo M53 to airsoft AEG and I was wondering if someone out there had done it before? Is there a gearbox that could be put inside the receiver without having to put the motor inside the pistolgrip? I know the pistolgrip is to narrow and would need to be replaced or heavely reworked for an AEG motor
The basic question is, is it ekstremely difficult or should I be able to do it? I am a CNC machinist so I do have access to a lot of precise machines
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Post by moviepropman on Jan 24, 2011 17:48:13 GMT -5
I would create a new trigger group for a Version 6 gearbox. You could try to use a P90 gearbox with a M1A1 trigger group possibly. Or a modified motor cage for the M1A1 gearbox, putting it to the rear. I'm modding my trigger group and then casting it in a impact resistant resin.
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Post by jimmiroquai on Jan 24, 2011 18:41:16 GMT -5
A yugo 53 is pretty much the same as an MG42. Several builders have been able to fit the motor of a Version 6 or version 3 gearbox in the gripstick. Then they made mountings for them to be able to fit the grips over the motor. But, there might be alignment issues. If you want it to shoot perfectly, align the barrel with the hop chamber and gearbox and see if the motor will fit in the grip stick. If not, make your own grip stick to accommodate the gearbox and motor at the right alignment.
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Post by krumlauf83 on Jan 25, 2011 5:48:57 GMT -5
Thanks guys, these suggestions are all great, I have considered a V3 gearbox too. I would like to get as high rate of fire as the real mg42 and maybe 400 fps. Will any gearbox handle a rof of 1550 a minute?
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Post by moviepropman on Jan 25, 2011 18:17:28 GMT -5
I don't know if you could hit 1500 but I think 1000 would be reasonable. Probably a complete upgrade to the gearbox (including reinforced shell), hi ROF gears and a LiPo might do nicely. Don't quote me though as I'm still a little green on the upgraded gearboxes.
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Post by shadycadence on Jan 27, 2011 7:13:13 GMT -5
Thanks guys, these suggestions are all great, I have considered a V3 gearbox too. I would like to get as high rate of fire as the real mg42 and maybe 400 fps. Will any gearbox handle a rof of 1550 a minute? It's entirely feasible, although longevity of such a creature is unknown. I know a guy with a p90 currently shooting 32 rds. a SECOND! (via a Madbull chrono on the ROF function) If you'd like, I could get a list of internal parts from him. I do know one crucial piece of the puzzle is a MOSFET trigger/control setup. You do realize that running such a gun will REQUIRE the assistance of a loader, right?
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Post by krumlauf83 on Jan 27, 2011 10:07:44 GMT -5
That would be great! Maybe a block of aluminum cut perfectly for the gearbox would help it live longer, if done precise it would take much of the pressure of the poor gearbox at the high ROF Yeah, I really did not think about that until now, but I also would like to build a super hi-cap magazine using a german ammo box when mounthed on a lafette 42 tripod
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Post by shadycadence on Jan 29, 2011 8:57:59 GMT -5
I have sent him a message, just waiting for the reply. That would be great! Maybe a block of aluminum cut perfectly for the gearbox would help it live longer, if done precise it would take much of the pressure of the poor gearbox at the high ROF You mean fabricate a gearbox out of a solid block? That's some serious CNC machining, there. Or did you mean make a housing to go around the outside of the gearbox? That would be simpler, and so long as the tolerances were correct, absorb the stress. Yeah, I really did not think about that until now, but I also would like to build a super hi-cap magazine using a german ammo box when mounthed on a lafette 42 tripod Keep on the lookout for an assault drum. You can take a high-cap and cut it apart, attach a servo motor to it with a battery pack and mount it in there with a plastic "floor". a small switch on a wire lead can be fed through the opening for feed control. It will hold about 1800-2k rounds. I made one of these for my MG34. Oh, and the tripods look awesome in pictures, but absolutely BLOW when the plastic starts to fly. At a target range of 600-800 yards the little movement they have covers a lot of ground. At 125 feet it doesn't cover crap. (one of our Ostfront members has one)
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Post by Ersatzjack on Jan 29, 2011 17:25:32 GMT -5
Shady - if by one of the Ostfront members has a tripod, you mean me that is dated. That tripod was cut up to act as mount for halfftrack shield. It is not suitable for airsoft use on the ground. If you can find an AA tripod, then you'll have a working airsoft tripod.
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Post by shadycadence on Jan 30, 2011 8:51:53 GMT -5
Okay, krumlauf, here you go. Straight from the horse's mouth as it were; "Prometheus everything, with a systema magnum motor (which tears itself apart every year and I have to get/build a new one) MOSFET, soldered motor contacts, deans connec...tors, ect. That being said, the (expletive deleted) gun cost me $800. Just replacing the electrical and motor can get you up there for much cheaper. I can't do it as reliably, but I would recommend starting with a stock TM box. Run it hard until it breaks, and replace the part that breaks with a Prometheus equivalent. To run the box hard, all he would need is a MOSFET+systema magnum+deans+11.1v LIPO. That should put him at a very high ROF on a stock TM box (~28-30 s/s). A couple helpful links: Batteries: www.hobbyking.com (I like Turnigy 40C or higher.) MOSFET: www.extreme-fire.com (I like the SW-AB-LONG. Simple, but not too simple.) Deans: Ebay. A bag of 10 for cheap. Prometheus parts: www.poweredgeusa (best selection and prices in the US)" So there you are. Basically, you're going to build a "race car" gun. The analogy being they go like hell for a short time, then get rebuilt. And if you're starting with a non-TM box, I suspect you'll find a weak part rather quickly!
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Post by shutzefritz on Jan 30, 2011 10:44:54 GMT -5
Shady, Ersatzjack, How about some photos for inspiration. Especially if you waould have some shots in action! With respect, Fritz
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Post by jimmiroquai on Jan 30, 2011 17:14:04 GMT -5
Cheaper but, IMHO, better alternatives for high ROF: 1) JG M93 red motor - one the BEST motors out there, and will last waaay longer than a Systema Magnum (personal experience) and at the same time will be more gentle on your pinion gear 2) Get a 7-8mm gearbox to be able to use 7 or 8mm bearing bushings 3) 11.1V lipo is required, at least 20C 4) Use a car relay instead of a mosfet: DO NOT use a Mosfet with ACTIVE BREAKING. Active breaking will kill your High ROF set up. If you insist on using a 'fet, use one without the AB. 5) High speed gears...13:1 ratio. IF you can get SHS gears from china, these are also among the best. 6) Do not use a spring rating over M120/SP120
Enjoy!
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Post by krumlauf83 on Feb 1, 2011 10:09:20 GMT -5
I meant just making a housing for the gearbox I have converted a real steel drum for my Viva MG34 that I just sold to one of my friends, and this weekend I just finished another drum for this project, works even better. I woul like however to build a hi-cap in to a ammo box just for fun, I have an original german tripod so I might as well just try it out for myself Thanks for the help and info on increasing rof, I have ordered a Dboys V3 now, let`s just see how long it lasts. I got some 11.1 V Li-Po batteries and the rof gets pretty high with a standard gearbox, I might just upgrade the gearbox to 350 fps and trie that out for now Thanks to the rest of you as well!
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Post by jimmiroquai on Feb 1, 2011 18:23:36 GMT -5
The internals of an M249 box mag fit nicely inside an MG42 ammo box. I'm working on one as well.
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Post by krumlauf83 on Feb 2, 2011 13:57:33 GMT -5
Nice jimmiroquai, I plan to make a dummy ammo belt with a BB feeding tube going trough the dummy rounds, if it`s possible
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Post by jimmiroquai on Feb 2, 2011 18:00:28 GMT -5
That's very possible! In mine, the feed tube goes under the receiver. So the dummy rounds can go into the side unhindered.
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Post by krumlauf83 on Mar 2, 2011 16:28:56 GMT -5
Does anyone remember who did a M-53 airsoft MG42 AEG convertion some time ago and posted the project on this forum? I belive he used a V3 gearbox, It would really help to talk to someone who has done this before
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Post by jimmiroquai on Mar 3, 2011 8:20:45 GMT -5
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Post by krumlauf83 on Mar 3, 2011 10:15:01 GMT -5
Thanks jimmiroquai but the real steel M53/MG42 is very different to the replica, I belive someone on this US forum made a custom AEG from a real steel weapon
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Post by cryonics on Mar 7, 2011 10:26:41 GMT -5
Hi Krumlauf, I just finished an MG42 conversion to airsoft a couple of weeks ago. I did take pictures of the conversion process and will post them in the next few days. Hopefully they will help. If you have any questions do not hesitate to ask.
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Post by krumlauf83 on Mar 7, 2011 15:07:26 GMT -5
Terrific, did you use a V3 gearbox? Trying to get a P90 hop up for it, out of the box top feeding so no mods needed
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Post by cryonics on Mar 7, 2011 20:36:33 GMT -5
Actually I used a Version II gearbox. I realize this meant more work but there seemed to be much more flexibility in this version then others. I am still compiling all the pictures and adding tags to them. Should have it all done by tomorrow and will post then. Overall the project came out pretty well and the results are quite satisfactory (good FPS, very accurate and high rate of fire with a 4000 round motorised ammo box). Did require altering the MG42 a little which I am sure the purist will decry sacrilege, but it was the only way to get all the airsoft parts to fit.
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Post by cryonics on Mar 8, 2011 18:54:49 GMT -5
Ok, I figured I would start by showing pictures of the completed project. Worked on it periodically over the weekends. Since back in the days many of the MG42's were two man operations with one carrying the gun and the other carrying the ammo, I decided to use this as the ammo feeding mechanism. What you see in the pictures is the MG42 that is BB fed via the ammo box sitting next to it. The battery cables and feeding spring are hidden under the ammo belt. Inside the ammo box is the battery that powers the gearbox, the bb's and motor. One nice thing about this is that you get to place multiple batteries in the ammo box for easy replacement when they go dead and the BB capacity is over 5000. I also found that carrying the ammo box in one hand while holding the barrel and carrying the stock in the other hand worked quite nicely and I was actually able to run with both while shooting. I realize that they usually just placed the gun in a fixed emplacement and then started firing but it was nice to know that this set up was more mobile than I expected. In the ammo box I used the motor from an M249 box which has a power feeding mechanism. The gearbox is Version 2 from a MP44. I used the MP44 since it has its own motor mount mechanism. Before I started this project I thought I would be able to use the gearbox from an M249 but found them to be way too big to fit in the receiver of the MG42. I also looked at the Version 3 gearbox but opted against it as it did not have motor mounts and the angle was not quite right. I used a Matrix Prometheus 650 mm stainless steel tightbore barrel which fit perfectly. Standard M16 metal hopup. Gun is solid and shoots very straight with good range. Next I will post pictures of how it was built and the changes that had to be made. Attachments:
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Post by cryonics on Mar 8, 2011 20:50:24 GMT -5
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Post by jimmiroquai on Mar 9, 2011 4:03:42 GMT -5
Very, very nice Build guide! I didn't realize you could use a version 2 gearbox. Is the motor cage of the MP44 the correct angle to fit in the grip stick of the 42?
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Post by cryonics on Mar 9, 2011 9:25:45 GMT -5
Very, very nice Build guide! I didn't realize you could use a version 2 gearbox. Is the motor cage of the MP44 the correct angle to fit in the grip stick of the 42? Yes it is , fits perfectly. Just the width needs to be adjusted therefore need to slice the grip in half lengthwise.
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Post by krumlauf83 on Mar 9, 2011 16:37:19 GMT -5
Very nice convertion cryonics, and very helpfull! I do have a question though: I have tried a 550mm PSG-1 barrel with a V6(P90/Thompson) gearbox before but the BB`s would not come out, I belive it`s called a "suck back" effect when the cylinder can`t produce enough power to push the BB out. I noticed you use a 650mm barrel for your gun, how can this be done? I belive all the TM AEG gearboxes has more or like the same volume except for the PSG-1 V4 gearbox.. I`m going to use a assault drum magazine for my gun, it`s already done using AK drum magazine internals I actually work with CNC machines so it should help me a lot, planning on drilling up the original barrel to fit the airsoft brass inner barrel
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Post by cryonics on Mar 9, 2011 18:25:35 GMT -5
Hi Krumlauf,
I do not have an answer for you about the barrel length. Obviously the MG42 is plenty long enough to fit such a barrel and I have not experienced any "suck back" effect. This is a tightbore stainless steel barrel which appears to be of very good quality, so maybe the bbs have already exited before the piston retracts? Maybe the version 2 gearbox does not have this problem?
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Post by cryonics on Mar 9, 2011 18:31:39 GMT -5
I`m going to use a assault drum magazine for my gun, it`s already done using AK drum magazine internals I was originally going to do the same, but unfortunately my source for a drum magazine flaked out on me so I decided to go with the ammo box method after looking at many WW2 pictures and seeing that most had two people manning the gun with the ammo box feeding the weapon. Hopefully we can both use our converted MG42's at the June event. Should keep the yanks away from our base
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Post by cryonics on Mar 9, 2011 18:36:25 GMT -5
I actually work with CNC machines so it should help me a lot, planning on drilling up the original barrel to fit the airsoft brass inner barrel One thing I forgot to mention is that I did not have the heart to trash the original grip handle by cutting it in half. As a result I purchased new ones from this site www.robertrtg.com/mggripstick.htmlThey were cheap and I did not have to worry about messing up my original one. In case you wanted to experiment, for $12 you might want to do the same.
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