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Post by ScottCollins on Feb 24, 2013 20:42:03 GMT -5
Amazing setup and I didn't even know there was WWII airsoft in Canada.
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Post by shiftsup on Feb 24, 2013 20:55:22 GMT -5
I was certainly excited to have one finally after 5 years of wwii airsoft. I tried it out at our CP before engaging the Germans. Its weather related finickiness (?) made me change to my Thompson which has never let me down in a winter game. Besides that, the Germans had their STG 44s and MP 40s out in full force.
The mag changes were difficult for me considering I was wearing wool gloves. Something to work on.
Yup, there is wwii airsoft in Canada. There was around 20 of us out this past Saturday. Half of us were well kitted out. The other half were new to the game and mostly came as a partisan element.
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Post by Seff on Feb 26, 2013 11:38:04 GMT -5
Install a leaf spring in the top of the magwell, and/or polish the sides of the mags to make them drop out.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Feb 26, 2013 12:26:15 GMT -5
For my homemade conversions changing mags is definitely a skill that needs to be mastered as the clips are only 15 rounds. Regardless of the level of practice they sometimes stick. Some customers put a small velcroed patch of solft foam at the roof of the mag well and this causes them to either pop out or at least pop down enough to be easily pinched and then removed. I purposely add a couple walls of plastic to the sides of the brass colored shotgun clips to give more of an "enblock" look and to help fill the gaps along the sides of the mag well. As mentioned by SETH I found that light sanding on this plastic dramatically improved the ease with which you could get them in and out.
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Post by thomasc on Feb 26, 2013 18:07:14 GMT -5
I believe that they are harder to get out because they are made to fit tighter. I read that people were worried about the magazine just falling out because the location of the mag release.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Feb 26, 2013 20:57:26 GMT -5
Undoubtedly with time and use they would losen up but in the early videos it appeared they popped out when the "bolt release" was pushed.
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Post by shiftsup on Feb 26, 2013 22:41:30 GMT -5
The mag thing isn't really that big of a deal. It was just a humorous challenge outside in 20 F weather wearing wool gloves in a foot of snow. Take the gloves off and it's all good. There really isn't much reason to tinker. It was more of an observation.
I am a big fan of developing muscle memory. I put all nine clips on a table filled with 15 rounds each and fired away. Mag changes took less than 3 seconds from a table and less than 6 seconds on average from my cartridge belt. Until now my cartridge belt has just been a re-enactment artifact / decoration. Now it serves a purpose. Something to work on.
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Post by Rekkon on Feb 28, 2013 10:47:53 GMT -5
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Post by Seff on Feb 28, 2013 17:53:51 GMT -5
As I expected.
Since I've just purchased a real M1, I'll hold off buying a G&G until it makes sense - my own conversion works excellently, and I go to more reenactments than airsoft games due to availability.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Feb 28, 2013 19:34:06 GMT -5
I'll certainly not base a purchase decision based on a viewing of each at the shotshow. The GnG had the mid section area covered as they were still decided what to do about the magazine feed system. I have both versions on pre order and hope to be able to do a fair and unbiased comparison between the actual commercially released products as they actually are delivered. My prediction is that each will have their own strengths and weaknesses. The ICS was quite a bit less expensive than the GnG but final pricing will no doubt sort itself out once they become readily available and the true market pricing is out.
An example of this reality is that I see the ACM BAR now priced all the way down to $250.00 plus shipping when the introductory pricing of these were well above that. Clip capacity, Ease of loading, FPS, cost of spare magaines and durability and reliability will take time actually sort out which Garand is the better choice and it still will come down to personal preference for alot of buyers.
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Post by aj czarkowski on Feb 28, 2013 19:38:03 GMT -5
Good idea, and hopefully alot more than the original few hundred will be made. That will make the price go down very much. And I can't believe the new BAR is only $250 now!
Scratch that, I don't know where you found it for $250, the cheapest I found it for was $395
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Post by roadwarrior on Mar 1, 2013 10:08:00 GMT -5
Well with Evike you can get it for around 330 with a coupon code, not bad imo.
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Post by kken on Mar 1, 2013 10:16:08 GMT -5
I'll certainly not base a purchase decision based on a viewing of each at the shotshow. This +100. Final production model may be vastly different from a showroom demo.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Mar 1, 2013 14:44:25 GMT -5
The cheapest price on the new BAR I've seen is on UN Company at $250.00 (a nice heads up on this from KKEN) of course you would need to add Shipping from Asia but still way down from when they were first introduced. The pre order price for the ICS Garand with the coupon was $288.00 plus shipping from California. They raised this price a bit but it still seems quite reasonable for a real wood, limited volume AEG. The GnG is at $395.00 plus shipping from Combat Supply (Pre order with vague insight on actual availability). Pre orders are always something of a crap shoot and seldom come in at the initially expected dates. If they arrive by early Spring before the typically event season I will be pleased although I have to again say I am very anxious to get them.
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Post by SgtSalmon on Mar 1, 2013 23:32:19 GMT -5
I'd really like to know where these 100+ Garands are.
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Post by labrador on Mar 2, 2013 4:45:20 GMT -5
Around 30 of them are at airsoft shops here in the Philippines. So they should be on the way to further shores.
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Post by stuka on Mar 3, 2013 10:43:52 GMT -5
well there is only supposed to be 100 in america for the first batch. I believe there is a store Mass that somehow managed to get them and already sell one to a guy
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Post by SgtSalmon on Mar 3, 2013 19:13:50 GMT -5
well there is only supposed to be 100 in america for the first batch. I believe there is a store Mass that somehow managed to get them and already sell one to a guy I think those were the preview rifles that ICS also sent to Airsoft GI and Evike. Airsoft companies tend to send "review rifles".
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Post by stuka on Mar 3, 2013 22:15:39 GMT -5
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Post by 2nd Bat on Mar 3, 2013 23:06:04 GMT -5
It's kind of upsetting to think that someone just walked into a retailer and bought one off the wall when many of us paid in full several months ago for a "pre sale". I suspect there is more to this story on redit. Someone suggested that this fellow was actually the recipient of the contest for one of the prototypes (ICS had a contest several months ago) and it is curious that in the article he didn't mention anything about pricing.
The "pre sale for the GnG on combatsportsupply indicated that they would ship before the end of February. Obviously that hasn't happened and there is nothing in the way of a n update or responses from either Evike or combatsportsupply about either pre-order. The fact is, they'll get in when they get in. The GnG I suspect is actually many many months away.
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Post by imp1864 on Mar 4, 2013 15:22:46 GMT -5
First off hi to all. I have lurked here for a while. So here goes
Well it's arrived so very mini review. First this gun has been upgraded to 350 fps and haas new mauri hop rubber in it so fingers crossed it should have no issues with firing burst or full auto. As discussed before the spring was too weak. So this is my first review so be gentle. It was bought from firesupport and arrived in good time. The box is a box. The goodies with in are to first sight rather nice. Full wood with that nice Lindseed oil smell. It's not as heavy As I expected andthe wood is god knoes what. It is slightly bigger than the real steel garand around the grip. Now this is not a problem for me as I prefer it to last a while rather than snap first outing it gets. A real steel bayonet will not fit, why?, well this leads meto my first and main gripe why, oh why is there a 3 mm gap between the barrel and the gas return. Have you not seen a real garand ICS. Because of this the bayonet won't fit. The lug is the right size but the 3 mm makes it impossible to slot the retaining ring over the barrel. BOO, is what I say. So cosmetically it's kinda a garand. The mags fit into a cartridge belt but you can't lose the flaps. The fit into a bandoleer, so at least you have a method of carriage. Right as I'm now no longer going to pass out from lack of food, I can continue. The woodwork is a very nice rich brown. With some more applications of oil, it should darken very nicely indeed. The trigger guard is post war, so not a lot I can do about that. Again a pity a bit more time wasn't spent on research. So the fact it's got ww2 on the box is actually wrong. It Korean War but again I can live with that. It's well balanced and the action on the cocking handle is very smooth. It is fully traded on the rear, with us rifle, Springfield armouries cal .30 M1 and a unique serial number. No stupid chinglish mistakes which really would have annoyed me. The swivels for the sling are bigger than they should be but not so much as they look out of place. Battery space, well a large battery may be a squeeze but mini or lipo batteries will be fine. Oh the MOSFET is very close to the mouth of the battery compartment so take care when placing or removing a battery. Magazines, well what can I say. No prizes for astethics but they fit and are secure. Releasing the is via the button on the side. This button also locks the faux bolt in place so you can access the hop up dial. Which is huge BTW. The wood fit is ok. Mine has got a 2 mm gap between the front swivel and the rear wood. I may be able to fix this with a damn good whack. So to make this a very good representation of the M1 the following things need to be fixed. 1. Find a way to fit a new gas tube 2. Change the sling swivels 3. Find away to replace the Korean War trigger guard. Once these are done its a very fine gun indeed. Is it worth £385? I don't know, I've not been left with that oh my god feeling, in fact I'm left a little cold about it. So going out on a limb, I'm going to say no its not worth the money. It's good but it should have been so,so much better. Now I wait for the G&G M1. Now I know I should be thankful but I'm going to play my last remaining slightly ungrateful card and say ICS take two hundred lines, I must do better. So there we go. Enjoy. Pat.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Mar 4, 2013 15:40:14 GMT -5
Thank you for the first luke warm review. I appreciate your candor. I agree that with a "from the ground up" production some of those little touches would have been nice. I always thought a milled handguard clip, a single slot (early war) locking nut, site locks and a couple other period specific touches would have been nice. I am happy, but not thrilled to live with any and all of them. I am frankly surprised to hear a bayonet doesn't fit? I suspect it won't be too hard to replace the gas assembly with an actual part although here again the early war style are quite expensive and it would be a shame to use one on an airsoft gun. After all these years of waiting it's great to know they are real and are actually coming and aren't 1,000.00 bucks!
So apparently they are arriving in the UK, The Phillipines and Canada. The US. Deliveries have to be coming up soon.
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Post by imp1864 on Mar 4, 2013 15:56:05 GMT -5
We have had them for around a month. The second batch is already out. It would seem the fit of the wood is slightly better and they are 380 fps. The issue with being in the uk is getting real steel parts. Very difficult over here. Couple of other points. The magazine is tight in the mag well. And I mean tight. Bearing in mind I've had it for a month and initially the mag came out easily but over the month it has become increasing difficult to remove. Ill be attacking It with a dremmel sander to see if that fixes it. Sadly there are too many little niggles for me to say its worth the cash. But it is a garand and for that I'm grateful. On Friday I will get to fire it for the first time. So ill post up what it's like. Fingers crossed that you guys get the improved versions. I don't thing you will have half the issues I had.
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Post by aj czarkowski on Mar 4, 2013 20:27:57 GMT -5
Why would they ever want to sell the ICS M1 Garand to the US? We're only the ones who made them ;D
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Post by 2nd Bat on Mar 4, 2013 20:36:47 GMT -5
Wait...you've had it for a MONTH and haven't fired it yet? Do you live in downtown London or something? Good grief. Even if i were living in a hotel I couldn't go three days with a new airsoft gun without shooting it into some cardboard boxes or something. Yikes!!!!! if all I did was stare at something I'd find lots wrong with it too I guess.
Odd that the clip got tighter rather than looser? Hmmmmm? I wonder if the release is perhaps failing somehow.
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Post by imp1864 on Mar 5, 2013 5:24:07 GMT -5
UK laws mate. It's illegal to fire spoke tile outside your fence boundary. And I have a very small garden surrounded by other houses. So until I get to my mates farm no shooty for me.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Mar 5, 2013 10:47:55 GMT -5
Under fed, under paid and under Eisenhower...it sucks to be British.
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Post by elder90 on Mar 5, 2013 15:54:56 GMT -5
Alright guys, A little more news for you.
Mags are available for order at fox (Again, Pre Order as we do not have them in the store yet) Looking at about $29.99 each.
As for the guy earlier having issues with the mag needing to be pulled out and not just dropping out our Rifle will drop the mag when you press the button with no "prying" needed. Check to find where your mag is rubbing on the wood and take some sand paper to it. What may have happened is the wood, after being cut and stained may have actually swollen and puts to much pressure on the mag.
We still have 20 rifles of the 100 coming to the states going to Fox so get them while you can.
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Post by imp1864 on Mar 5, 2013 16:18:57 GMT -5
Yup so thank God Im Irish.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Mar 5, 2013 17:30:31 GMT -5
$29.95 for a 40 round clip? (Obviously plus shipping). That is more than I was expecting by double and three times more than I was hoping for. Yikes. definitely something to consider when pricing this gun.
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