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Post by Schmozilla on May 18, 2011 20:17:30 GMT -5
Yeah. Im being Quite annoying but i have some questions. Mind answering them? Mmk. So I know im getting The Cyma 032 So I need help with deciding what does your Deluxe version of the conversion kit come with? And also, With the Other one, Is Resin sturdy enough? im a Faulty person also is the The Kit come with a battery/Charger? Another question, is the resin parts going to last, Like i mean, They wont weaken Up so they snap?
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Post by 2nd Bat on May 24, 2011 23:08:18 GMT -5
I'm assuming you're directing the question about the conversion kit to me? (2nd Bat) It's probably best to coorespond via PM. In answer to your question the kit includes the parts you'll need to convert your full length M14 aeg into a decent pseudo M1 Garand. It includes the two handguards (Presixed and preshaped to fit right on without modification. The stock augmentation piece to enhance the shape of your M14 stock and make it more closely resemble the Garand stock. The complete Garand gas assembly molded to fit right on your barrel with the M14 flashhider removed, one flush mounted 12 round clip and the parts to make six more using it as the guide and complete photographic step by step instructions for the conversion and clip manufacture. The parts have proven to be quite durable and the handguards are probably more duarble than the real parts although obviously the gas assembly is not as strong as the actual part which you would have to buy and modify to fit.
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Post by Schmozilla on Jun 5, 2011 12:35:51 GMT -5
Sorry im kind of new to this, but What is the gas assembly? (Yeah, im stupid xD)
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Post by volkssturm on Jun 5, 2011 13:13:58 GMT -5
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jun 7, 2011 13:21:51 GMT -5
The conversion kits include the complete front gas assembly including the site, locking lug and lock. (Molded and pre sized and shaped to fit right onto the barrel tip of your M14) The assembly can be finished in flat black, parkerized grey or in a simulated mixed metals finish to look like a field weapon. (On a Garand the metals were all assorted hardness so the finish very quickly took on a different appearance once exposed to solvents and the elements) The handguards are molded directly from actual parts that I modified to fit and they are poured, finished and detailed to look like dark walnut military stocks with the hardware painted authentically. The stock augmentation piece is pre shaped to attach to the M14 stock (Which you must shorten with about a two inch cut) This piece is attached with resin paste that will also blend the piece and allow for sanding and paints/ stains. In addition the kit includes one modified flush mounted 12 round clip and full picture, step by step instructions and assorted bits and items needed to complete the project. The kit is $125.00 plus shipping and is a huge time saver and insures a consistent finished project. I have sold over a hundred of them and virtually everyone finished the project quite quickly with great results.
It's a super way to save money by doing it yourself and allows you to avoid the running around and modifications and potential destruction of actual parts. I try always to have several on hand for immediate shipment.
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Post by hollywood01 on Jun 12, 2011 19:57:24 GMT -5
2nd Bat Ordnungspolizei, do you have any pics? I would be intrested in this kit.
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Post by CharleyNovember on Jun 12, 2011 21:22:42 GMT -5
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Post by 506thpir on Jun 13, 2011 18:40:26 GMT -5
To anybody who has undertaken this project:
i have absolutely no experience doing anything like this (woodworking, etc.)
Will this be too difficult to complete without experience or is it straightforward, and anybody can do it?
Thanks very much.
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Post by CharleyNovember on Jun 13, 2011 19:11:17 GMT -5
If you watch the video I address that I think. It is an easy weekend project any monkey should be able to complete over a weekend.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jun 18, 2011 13:24:55 GMT -5
Dan is correct. You don't have to be an airsoft tech to do this project. If you are confident you can remove a few screws using a philips head screw driver and likewise remove a couple hex nuts the kit is designed to be doable in a few semi dedicated days. (Perhaps four hours?)
You don't need to get into the gearbox or realign feed systems or rearrange major components. The hard alterations are all done for you and you don't have to run around acquiring all the stuff. The assembly manual has step by step pictures starting with the removal of the M14 handguard, butt plate and M14 gas assembly.
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Post by m1a1thompson on Nov 25, 2011 3:31:42 GMT -5
So excited to get my kit ;D I can't wait to be the talk of the airsoft fields with my upgraded TM it will shoot about 450-500fps and has a Prometheus tightbore new gear set and piston.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Nov 25, 2011 14:12:29 GMT -5
I'm not usually a fan of high FPS as it affords little additional range and can be a lot more injurious at close range. Having said that...with a long rifle with relatively low magazine capacity (12 rounds) and limited to semi automatic it's good to have an additional edge! The kits are now sold out so the questions are all rather moot at this point but folks can still do this individual build project by buying the actual parts and modifying them.
M1A1 your kit is essentially all set to go but I did want to ask what shade gas assembly you want. (I will finish it accordingly) Your choices are medium grey (A parkerized finish that works best if you do up the M14 receiver group to match) Solid flat black. (This will match the M14 receiver currently. Or my favorite mixed metals. With this I paint assorted elements of the gas assembly according to the way it would look after being in the field. To tie the rest of your conversion into this look, sand the edges of parts of your receiver group and charging handle to artificially age them.
Let me know and I will get this last part packaged in with the other components and ready to send off upon receipt of the funds. Have fun with the project. (I know you will)
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Post by m1a1thompson on Nov 26, 2011 3:21:57 GMT -5
that was my reasoning behind the high fps since i am permanently making mine semi auto the last thing i want if for people to do, "the matrix bullet dodging around the gun's stock 280 fps," on my semi auto 12rd supper cool gun haha so i greaten the chance of a hit with the velocity, no last minute ducking before the BB gets to em. So I decided to step it up a bit haha
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Post by 2nd Bat on Nov 26, 2011 12:10:26 GMT -5
My solution to the Matrix dodge is to use either black or green BBs with every third being white (sort of like tracers) The CYMA 032 shoots at 365 or so with 20 gram. Be usre to take adequate cover when changing clips. A common mistake people make is placing all their focus on their reloads and forgetting that they are exposed while doing so. Also after your reloads come up somewhere else other than when you ducked down. Even if it's only going to the other side of the tree.
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Post by aj czarkowski on Nov 26, 2011 17:52:07 GMT -5
I don't mean to be a jerk or anything but isn't 500 fps too high? It's not even allowed at the field I go to unless your 40 feet away and using a bolt action rifle. I was shot at 20 feet with a 500 fps rifle once, and the bb is now in my hand...
Anyway if you are using those 12 round clips your going to need to reload a really lot especially if your with an assualt team. I don't know if your m14 has this problem but everyone who has one that I know does, you have to hold the clip up because the latch to lock it in place is too low. I usually forget about it and the clip ends up somewhere in a pile of leafs I just wanted to warn you about that because I've lost atleast 4 ( and I only have 2 or 3 left) Your probably going to want to have atleast 4 of them with you unless your using a M14 magazine in your garand, trust me because the very first time I used it I had only 2 with me and I was wasting tons of ammo and then I died every time I needed to reload the clips. Also don't worry about people dodging bbs, even if your guns shooting 350 and your at 30 feet unless they are a ninja like me they can't dodge them. or like 2nd bat said use darker bbs. It's always good to mix them too, sometimes you don't realize your hopup is way off and because they are dark bbs you wouldn't notice.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Nov 27, 2011 2:38:41 GMT -5
Very few groups around the country adhere to anything like realistic ammo loads and if you're playing against opponents who play more like conventional airsoft skirmishing you're hosed with this rifle frankly. However if you're fortunate enough to have a group that keeps most players at semi auto fire and only allows low caps, this rifle is a real fun one to play with. Loading clips is part of the excitement and authenticity (In my opinion) The clips take some knack and practice but like a real Garand with training and practice you can get quite good at it. Many players while skirmishing use the M14 magazine which keeps them competitive.
I'm not at all sure what Garnetts issues with his M14 magazines are but having skirmished alot with these M14s I can't say that I don't know anyone else who's had a problem with them. The M14 mags do load a bit weird and have to be rocked into place (Much like the AK magazine) Its a good idea to listen for the swoosh as the BBs go in and then insure that the rear of the clip is locked into place. Once in a while the clips have to be pushed up a bit as you're shooting but that is quite rare. The little clips I make are somewhat harder to load due to their small size and are easy to lose.
Most field allow up to 550 FPS for semi auto weapons (Not just bolt action) but I agree with Garnett that 500 FPS is excessive and frankly not very smart. I have spent a lot of time and testing on the science of airsoft BBs and if it were up to me unless players all have full face masks I would restrict FPS for 20 gram at 378 FPS. The upsides beyond that FPS are extremely marginal and the downsides in terms of injury go way way up. Obviously a big departure on a discussion about the M1 Garand but...
I use the white BBs like tracers to keep me informed on hop up adjustment, and wind effects. With airsoft BBs you rarely see impacts like you would with real steel rounds so having a visual reference is always a good idea.
With my Garands I fire in three round sets. Plink plink plink. This allows me to zero in on the target and sadly with airsoft it usually takes two registered hits (especially at long range) for folks to realize it was a BB that struck them. That's one of the real problems with bolt action airsoft rifles no matter how powerful.
The Garand clips are actually 15 round but you typically lose 3 rounds do to the typical reload BB drop. This is caused by the gap between the clip and the tappet plate inside the airsoft gun that actually feeds the BB. (If you turn the rifle upside down you can get those last 3 shots.) Kind of pisses on the realism however.
At the higher FPS your field will probably require you to function with sniper rules that won't allow you to engage at a range less than...(Whatever range they decide on) Sometimes it's 40 feet sometimes its 75 feet. This a great concept that is seldom consistently adhered to and mostly just causes problems. Airsoft Bbs lose velocity very quickly once they leave the muzzle which is why a high velocity BB rifle will puncture skin up close and barely be felt 5 car lengths away.
The ability and range at which an airsoft BB will puncture skin goes up exponentially above 360 FPS.
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Post by m1a1thompson on Nov 27, 2011 21:47:59 GMT -5
I miss spoke its about 500 even meaning just high 400s. I am not a big ammo dumper when it comes to playing. I am intending on using only the short mags. I talked to my friend aaron who gave me the TM he said 450 fps just about I can also very the fps using different weight BBs I usually only use .25g anyway, i find they have superior accuracy when utilizing kentucky windage like with most airsoft guns. They sort of make the flight path more consistent and predictable
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Post by 2nd Bat on Nov 28, 2011 0:19:41 GMT -5
Uhhhhhmmmmm....You do realize it's not just about FPS...It's about jouelles of power. This is what causes the injury and damage. Going to a heavier weight BB will typically slow down your FPS (Except in long barreled gas guns where the velocity typically goes up!) The damage and injury stays constant whether you're shooting .20 gram at 450 FPS or .25 gram at 380 FPS (The example given is a hypothetical to emphasize a point.
It's all about inertia and energy. This is not about passing chrono in order to qualify for a fields requirements. It's about safety Switching to 25s won't reduce the damage in fact it will probably increase it as a 25 maintains it's velocity longer. The reason Maruis ship with 25s is though the FPS is lower they travel farther. As mentioned they are less impacted by the wind and hold their hop up spin longer.
With a semi auto rifle and a small magazine you are not going to be ripping anyone up but as mentioned earlier if it were my field, 378 with .20 gram would be my field limit for full auto weapons. 475 FPS at the very top for any weapon.
Hopefully you'll be mindful of the rifles power when playing. Safety has to be number one at any airsoft event or the hobby will die which none of us want. Incidently M1a1 your check arrived and once it clears your kit and stock will be shipped with mixed metals. Have fun with the project.
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Post by m1a1thompson on Nov 28, 2011 21:13:50 GMT -5
Splendid and i appreciate the concern with safety. Having a Dad who is a firefighter/paramedic, and surrounded by a slew of family in the medical profession safety is also my #1 priority as well . I've been playing airsoft for only 5 years but in that time most all of my weapons one of which was, my late KWA M4A1, god rest its soul, have all shot in the upper 400s and any player who has played with me will tell you I am not one to overshoot, "aim dirty" aka head shots owwww. I always practice safe gun usage being a real steal shooter and all. very excited about the kit
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Post by 2nd Bat on Nov 29, 2011 3:13:55 GMT -5
That's great news. I have always said it's more about the player than the equipment. There are too many airsofters who don't think about the ramifications of their actions whether it's shooting in a skirmish or walking around indiscreetly in public view with an uncased airsoft gun. WW2 airsoft is so much safer than most forms of airsoft due to the predominance of semi auto and bolt action rifles and the typically reduced ammo loads.
The typical airsoft spray and pray everyone has 10,000 rounds and box mags just don't hold much fun for me and definItely represents a less safe hobby. That's not to say the aren't unsafe acts in WW2 events but typically the historical events focus less on "winning " and more on the emmersion.
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