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Post by LϟϟAH1944 on Nov 8, 2013 14:54:02 GMT -5
Don't worry, we all make some mistakes, lol, and the SS definitely isn't an easy topic.
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Post by dasreich on Nov 9, 2013 0:12:31 GMT -5
hmm since the ss was so much better then the whermacht why did the germans not just make the hole whermacht ss???
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Post by 2nd Bat on Nov 9, 2013 0:16:32 GMT -5
Das reich you really need to think about your posts before submitting them.
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Post by dasreich on Nov 9, 2013 0:18:40 GMT -5
I am trying too think more about them to maek them sound better. I just wanted to ask a good question about the ß.
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Post by shiftysgarand on Nov 9, 2013 9:44:42 GMT -5
hmm since the ss was so much better then the whermacht why did the germans not just make the hole whermacht ss??? I assume because it would have been too expensive to train the millions of Wehrmacht conscripts into elite SS troops. |
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Post by volkssturm on Nov 9, 2013 11:12:57 GMT -5
A couple problems with that concept. All men are not created equal in terms of physical ability, intelligence, and aggressiveness. You can't take any random group of 100 conscripts and make elite soldiers out of them. Some of them are going to flunk out. What's the drop out rate for Ranger School or SEAL training? At least until mid-war the Waffen-SS was vey selective about who they allowed in. Besides the physical requirements they looked for people who were highly motivated and true believers in the Nazi cause. Training was only part of what made the SS elite. A lot of it was an attitude that could only be instilled in recruits to a limited extent if it didn't exist naturally.
The other problem of course is that the Waffen-SS was a rival to the German army, or Heer, and the Heer generals hated them. They would have opposed anything that increased the power and influence of the Waffen-SS.
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Post by dasreich on Nov 9, 2013 11:27:29 GMT -5
i guess thats y i want too do ß they are beter in every way then the whermacht thks for the replys guys
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Post by shiftysgarand on Nov 9, 2013 12:30:21 GMT -5
In terms of fighting skill, yes. In terms of survivability, then no. GIs made a policy of shooting any captured SS troop on the spot.
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Post by dasreich on Nov 9, 2013 13:35:11 GMT -5
did the americans only shoot ß because they are elite??? the only us military that could kill ß was airbourn troops
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Post by shiftysgarand on Nov 9, 2013 13:52:21 GMT -5
The Americans shot the SS out of a desire for revenge for the war crimes and poor prisoner treatment the SS committed.
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Post by LϟϟAH1944 on Nov 9, 2013 18:16:17 GMT -5
my god, seriously, ban dasreich. hes so clearly a troll, yet nobody does anything. its clearer than day that he's messing with us...
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Post by dasreich on Nov 9, 2013 19:29:18 GMT -5
my god, seriously, ban dasreich. hes so clearly a troll, yet nobody does anything. its clearer than day that he's messing with us... WTH do you keep saying that. i am just trying to learn stuff i guess u just hate new guys. |
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Post by stuka on Nov 9, 2013 20:22:18 GMT -5
We have no problem with new people, you just lack knowledge and seem to lack the want to seek it.
You said only airborne could kill ss? That is incorrect, any bullet could kill ss. Did they kill them because they were "elite" no, they pry weren't fans of their treatment of allied pows as well as a want to keep moving foward. Were there ss prisoners? Yes, did they escape?Maybe when they were in europe but the US for most of the war treated German pows VERY well.
You post topics about ww1 ss, that makes no sense. You have the internet to look up pretty simple stuff about ww2, if you want some more specific help about ww2 airsoft, thats fine but you are seemingly ignorant and almost appear to be a ss sympathizer. Now thats real problemitic, not just because of "political correctness" but because thats not cool and it's not funny to praise mass murders.
Yes, not all ss were "jew killers" but just because they had good tactics and training doesn't mean you should kill infidels in the name of the ss.(that was a joke, don't get butt hurt as they say) The fj's were also highly skilled, why do you ignore them?
For the love of pete, please show us a want to learn and go learn some basic facts and come back to us.
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Post by CPL. Mills 2nd Rangers on Nov 9, 2013 21:44:02 GMT -5
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Post by dasreich on Nov 9, 2013 21:57:10 GMT -5
Thks for all the ansers. i am sry for sounding upset u guys hav been very nice to me compared to real gun reenactors. i am thankful for all the help. i do kno the ß did some bad stuff on der ostfront but hte rusians were also evil
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Post by volkssturm on Nov 9, 2013 22:15:31 GMT -5
Speaking of elite German troops, arguably the elite of the German Army were the mountain troops, the Gebirgsjaegers.
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Post by dasreich on Nov 9, 2013 22:25:07 GMT -5
were their ß gibergsjaegers???
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Post by stuka on Nov 9, 2013 22:29:07 GMT -5
The links were presented, please read and we'll see you as less of a troll and a potential person to assist.
What does that even mean? The ss and Gebirgsjaegers were both german so that question didn't make sense dasreich.
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Post by dasreich on Nov 9, 2013 22:37:17 GMT -5
i am learning german i asked if there were any gebirgsjagers in the SS
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Post by LϟϟAH1944 on Nov 9, 2013 22:37:50 GMT -5
I think hes asking if there were SS gebirgs. Yes, there were. look up Nord and prinz Eugen, as well as Handschar. Also, try to use proper spelling/grammar/everything, and stop using the double S, as I think it confuses some people.
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Post by LϟϟAH1944 on Nov 9, 2013 22:39:01 GMT -5
remember, rather than asking us all of these rudimentary questions, why not do some research on your own, like many of us did? it seems too many people wanting to be spoon fed with information, why not just look it up yourself?
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Post by brownien on Nov 9, 2013 22:39:23 GMT -5
Yes, the SS and the Wehr both raised mountain units.
Simple google search of SS mountain units shows a score of hits
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Post by CPL. Mills 2nd Rangers on Nov 9, 2013 22:42:03 GMT -5
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Post by dasreich on Nov 9, 2013 23:07:40 GMT -5
ok, i did some research and was surprised to see many ß units were not german. why is this?  i always thopught only germans could join ß |
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Post by LϟϟAH1944 on Nov 9, 2013 23:13:49 GMT -5
again, do some research.
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Post by shiftysgarand on Nov 10, 2013 10:39:17 GMT -5
ok, i did some research and was surprised to see many ß units were not german. why is this? i always thopught only germans could join ß Because of the very high casualty count, and the Germans ran out of German volunteers. The early war SS was much more elite than the 'Battle of the Bulge' SS. |
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Post by dasreich on Nov 10, 2013 12:43:08 GMT -5
Thanks guys my study seem to show that the ß are made up of the elite of all europe.
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Post by aj czarkowski on Nov 10, 2013 13:15:16 GMT -5
Nope. Only Germany, and only in the first half of the war. Towards the end, the SS that weren't German were just conscripts. That's because they basically ran out of troops that were German.
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Post by stuka on Nov 10, 2013 15:15:18 GMT -5
what?
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Post by LϟϟAH1944 on Nov 10, 2013 15:21:37 GMT -5
Many ss weren't conscripts, actually very few were.. the term "Freiwillinge" means free will, aka volunteers. However, the only times they really did conscript, was that they were permitted to some Volksdeutsche that the Wehrmacht couldn't draft. (i.e. Prinz Eugen)
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i always thopught only germans could join ß
