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Post by zachjhk on Aug 26, 2011 8:12:49 GMT -5
Hi, I'm really sorry, I know I already posted a message about a Browning M1919, but I am actually starting to wonder whether it would be better to make an airsoft BAR, because there is already a good base gun with a correct magazine (M14), or should i make a M1919? I'm not very sure about the 1919, because I'm not sure how to fit the gear box in, but then again, I don't know how to put the gear box in a BAR, so which would be better? By the way, just to point out, I am around a beginner level for making custom guns.
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Post by volkssturm on Aug 26, 2011 15:07:53 GMT -5
The BAR would be a lot more practical for skirmishing. There's a thread on here about a "quick and dirty" BAR conversion of an M14.
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Post by ian00 on Aug 26, 2011 18:03:48 GMT -5
There's a BAR for $330
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Post by jimmiroquai on Aug 26, 2011 19:20:54 GMT -5
A 1919 would be much easier to get to look right. A makeshift BAR will always be a makeshift BAR. Unless you can afford to buy the VFC (so far the only real AEG BAR out there) i'd say build your own 1919.
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Post by aj czarkowski on Aug 26, 2011 21:33:00 GMT -5
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Post by nkronsch on Aug 27, 2011 2:06:00 GMT -5
He is referencing the defunct "Matrix" Black Bear B.A.R..
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Post by aj czarkowski on Aug 27, 2011 16:37:18 GMT -5
He is referencing the defunct "Matrix" Black Bear B.A.R.. Oh that's what I assumed he was talking about. It never existed, or maybe and did and china destroyed them as they usually do
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Post by ian00 on Sept 5, 2011 12:18:35 GMT -5
Where are the conversion threads?
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Post by gunner on Sept 5, 2011 15:29:39 GMT -5
good points by all. 'makeshift' B.A.R. will always be a 'makeshift', but, with a little imagination, i don't see why it wouldn't work. Also, for the 1919, I'm looking at this, I'd thought about it, but it was just too expensive. I've seen one, and it was pretty dang cool, the guy did a really good job on it (hairyapple)!!!! BUT, also, from my point of view, and I look at this as a 'vet' AND more as a mil/sim re-enactor, not an airsofter in a cute lil uniform....LOL. BUT, if you're going to do a crew served wpn, you'll need a crew!! You'll need an A-gunner, who carries the tripod and at least two ammo carriers....they don't poop the ammo!!! LOL I'd recommend on the B.A.R. that's just my honest opinion though. I hope which ever way you decide to go, it works.
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Post by jimmiroquai on Sept 6, 2011 19:42:19 GMT -5
If you're in HK you may as well hunt for a 2nd hand VFC BAR. Building one from scratch will be much more difficult than building a 1919.
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Post by HornetWSO on Sept 6, 2011 21:55:47 GMT -5
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Post by 2nd Bat on Mar 3, 2012 0:53:19 GMT -5
As beginner custom airsoft builder you are biting off quite a bit in either case. Both are frankly quite a lot of work to even do reasonably well. The killbucket templates are a great boost for the build but the project is much more challenging and way more time consuming than the instructions would imply.
The you tube instructions from the fellow in the UK are extremely helpful but as you can see he has essentially a personal machine shop and excellent skills. He also had a demilled BAR to use as a guide.
I have built both M1919s (five of them) and BARs (eight of them) and they are enjoyable projects. Both have to incure some compromises and infidelities to be produced using currently available gearbozes but if you are willing to accept some demensional abberations they look pretty decent at least at a distance.
Unless you actually enjoy doing the work and are comfortable that you will in fact finish the project I'd recommend you take on a part time job at a fast food restraunt and in less time that it would take to do the buulds, Buy the excellent VFC BAR with the money you make.
If you follow all the "Intend to build or getting stared on my custom...." whatevers...the vast majority of them never actually end up as functioning finished projects. The more you can leave things alighned as as they were and the less you mess with the feed systems the better off you are in terms of a finished functional product.
The BAR follows this recommendation quite well when built on an M14 but will be somewhat fatter through the receiver group. There's a tutorial of sorts in the Armory section titled Homebuilt BAR The end result is by no means the quality and look of the VFC BAR but if that would meet your expectations it's about as simple an approach as one can take. Figure 50 to 60 hours or so and perhaps $150 to $160.00 in materials.
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Post by Sgt_Tom on Mar 3, 2012 13:53:17 GMT -5
As beginner custom airsoft builder you are biting off quite a bit in either case. Both are frankly quite a lot of work to even do reasonably well. The killbucket templates are a great boost for the build but the project is much more challenging and way more time consuming than the instructions would imply. The you tube instructions from the fellow in the UK are extremely helpful but as you can see he has essentially a personal machine shop and excellent skills. He also had a demilled BAR to use as a guide. I have built both M1919s (five of them) and BARs (eight of them) and they are enjoyable projects. Both have to incure some compromises and infidelities to be produced using currently available gearbozes but if you are willing to accept some demensional abberations they look pretty decent at least at a distance. Unless you actually enjoy doing the work and are comfortable that you will in fact finish the project I'd recommend you take on a part time job at a fast food restraunt and in less time that it would take to do the buulds, Buy the excellent VFC BAR with the money you make. If you follow all the "Intend to build or getting stared on my custom...." whatevers...the vast majority of them never actually end up as functioning finished projects. The more you can leave things alighned as as they were and the less you mess with the feed systems the better off you are in terms of a finished functional product. The BAR follows this recommendation quite well when built on an M14 but will be somewhat fatter through the receiver group. There's a tutorial of sorts in the Armory section titled Homebuilt BAR The end result is by no means the quality and look of the VFC BAR but if that would meet your expectations it's about as simple an approach as one can take. Figure 50 to 60 hours or so and perhaps $150 to $160.00 in materials. Very true ^. You just have to be ready to put a lot of time and work into this project. A 30 cal 1919 will be much easier then a B.A.R simply because the B.A.R is a much more complicated weapon as far as the outside design goes. The 30 cal is pretty much just shaped like a box.
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Post by coljones on Jul 21, 2012 16:26:29 GMT -5
What would be a good base gun for the 1919
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Post by HornetWSO on Jul 21, 2012 21:44:40 GMT -5
m14 or m249
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jul 21, 2012 22:18:14 GMT -5
anyone who thinks the M1919 is essentially just a box hasnt built one. there are far more challnges than meet the eye and neither the BAR or M1919 are projects that I would recommend for a beginner in any way shape or form.
look over the tutorials carefully and ask yourself how comfortable you,d feel completing the necessary steps. homemade projects are a lot of fun but can be tremendously frustrating at times. take a second job no matter how demeaning and buy what you want with the added income. it will be quicker, it will actually be cheaper (unless you value your time at less than minimum wage! And the end result will probably be nicer.
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Post by Sgt_Tom on Jul 21, 2012 23:21:38 GMT -5
Well I didn't say it was a box I said it is shaped like one. The only people I know of that have built a B.A.R from scratch are 3 people. Tommygunner, you (2nd bat), and oddball on the WW2 Airsoft UK forums. You have had a ton of custom airsoft weapon experience and Tommygunner had a reasonable amount along with modeling experience, Oddball also has had a lot of experience. You'd probably be right in saying it would be more worthwhile to get a job and buy a V.F.C B.A.R then making one yourself, unless you really enjoy doing it.
As far as the 1919 goes I do know of a lot of people who have built one, many of which didn't have any or a lot of expereince with that type of thing. This leads me to believe its a much easier project. Just looking at it you can tell its an easier build. Sure its not just a box, but its a much simpler shape then the B.A.R is. You can even buy plans to make them.
Sure I haven't built either of them nor do I plan to, however all things considered the 1919 looks quite a bit easier, though like any airsoft project it would still be time consuming.
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Post by jettalewis on Jul 22, 2012 11:41:08 GMT -5
zachjhk presented this an an "either-or" He hasn't stated what he wants to do with this. Have a crew and a static position or run around playing John Wayne? Static postion would just about have to be a M1919. I don't think he will be doing much running around with this weapon. If he is going to be mobile he has other choices he can make. If he wants to actually make his weapon and wants it to be at least simi auto or full auto he is down to the BAR or Garand. The BAR is going to be a difficult build. Oddballs BAR is very nice, but as 2ndbat said, Oddball has a full machine shop and I notice he never did actually complete his BAR. The Garand is another difficult build, but made much easier with the kits and "how tos". When all is said and done, based on what he stated he wanted to do, those are about his only 3 choices and now it's a matter of what he thinks his skill level is.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Aug 2, 2012 20:08:58 GMT -5
Having built several 30 Cals and even more BARs I can say that at least in my case the BAR is a simpler build (at least using the approach I take) than the 30 CAL (even when using kill buckets templates). By the time you fabricate a functional feedbox and especially if you build a tripod the BAR is easier by quite a bit (IMO).
On theskir ish field the BAR is far far more deployable. (Think big, heavy, long M14 ). Since I set mine up to use M14 mags when fielded its really not much different at all. incidently they have proven far more robust than I feared and have been far more durable and reliable than the box fed 30 Cals i,ve built which tend to be a bit persnikety.
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Post by jettalewis on Aug 3, 2012 16:03:04 GMT -5
Well, there you go. If 2nd Bat says thats the way to go, you can put it in the bank. Excellent answer. Hey, 2nd Bat. I have been gathering parts to build a BAR and now have everthing except the receiver, barrel, front sight and gas cylinder tube bracket. If you happen to have a front sight and gas cylinder tube bracket I would love to purchase.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Aug 3, 2012 20:00:09 GMT -5
I fabricated all those things which obviously compromises authenticity but keeps the materials costs affordable. Just on the items you mentioned if you're talking about actual parts you're already over the cost of the excellent and fully ready to go VFC airsoft BAR.
I use a pipe for the main barrel to add width, length and a little additional weight and fabricate some sheet metal side plates for the reciever group. Put tape and wax release over the m14 gearbox and with the side plates clamped into place, fill in the top with fiberglass dyna glass paste. Build it up gradually and then sand it down to create the upper part of the reciever, add the rear site, cut in your extraction hole and fabricate a side sliding charging handle ( mine are fixed and just for looks). Do up a little additional cosmetic work and you're there. The front site i fabricate with a thin piece of tin that i wrap over the m14 site and then coat in the dyna glass which i then sand down and paint. The fiberglass resin is very maliable and can be sanded to shape and painted. Once done it has proven to be quite strong and durable. All of this requires a bit of sculpting and a lot of sanding but creates what for my purposes provides a satisfactory look and gets quite a lot of attention at the airsoft skirmish field. On top of that they shoot great!.
Jetta lewis i have a feeling that your build is far more ambitious and no doubt will wind up much, much, more authentic. Mine are referred to by my son as my "bondo bangers". I consider that a bit harsh but he isnt far off from the description. I have built nine of them now with a materials cost thats not much greater than the original retail price of a VFC Bar. ( I try to ignore the time investment!)
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Post by coljones on Aug 4, 2012 16:07:14 GMT -5
I emailed echo 1 on if they were making a BAR and heres what I got. -we are working on the project SUBSCRIBE to my Tech Support Channel: www.youtube.com/user/Echo1TechSupportThank you, Brian Holt Lead Service Technician Echo 1 USA
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Post by volkssturm on Aug 4, 2012 19:24:03 GMT -5
"Bondo Bangers!" I love it!!! We need some Bondo Banger T-shirts! ;D
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Post by coljones on Aug 4, 2012 23:11:54 GMT -5
I watched odballs video on how to make a 1919 and i downloaded the plans. I understood everything the plans said except for how to make it airsoft and the diagram on how to make the rear sight and lid latch made no sense to me please help.
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Post by jettalewis on Aug 4, 2012 23:32:20 GMT -5
If you actually look at the rear site used (UK SMLE) it will make perfect sense. You can use either the actual sight base or make one yourself. 2nd Bat. The components to make the bar were surprisingly cheap. I ran into a fellow in Greece who had a lot of parts and was able to pick up a stock with all metal. A forarm, gaspack assy, rear site, sissors prop, and flash hider. All picked up for less than $200. Anyway, I would love to pickup everything except for the receiver and barrel before I get started.
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Post by coljones on Aug 6, 2012 12:23:39 GMT -5
How do you get the bbs to feed up into the gearbox that you installed into the 1919. Also how do you make the latch to keep the lid down on the 1919.
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Post by coljones on Aug 6, 2012 19:12:33 GMT -5
is the oddball on this forum the same that makes the 1919a4 and BAR on youtube.
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