Post by kingraptor141 on Oct 18, 2011 18:51:24 GMT -5
So I have this jump smock (http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/reproduction-german-military-para-smock-oak-camo.aspx?a=792414) and not sure that to put with it, mostly I'm confused as to what branch this comes from (It says fallshcirmjaeger, but I've seen SS with this as well) so any suggestions?
I already have: M42 Stahlhelm StG 44 Bread Bag OD "cargo pants" Canteen/Messkit
Going to get: Y Harness and Belt Magazine pouch
I'm looking for suggestions like patches for the proper branch.
Frankly sir i am very sorry but you've been duped. The para smock was never done in oakleaf (an SS design). you could either return it or take it apart if you can and rebuild it into a standard tunic which did exist (albeit was very very rare). Meantime you could get yourself a german undershirt and HBT or wool pants and fight in that. It really depends on how stitch nazi your group or field is. I started out with far worse. Bundeswehr tropical jacket, cargo pants, hiking boots, plain leather belt and spanish helmet. plus mp 40.
If you do plan to go late war fallschirmajager (yes they occasionally used the standard helmet) get a splinter B pattern smock from spearhead or panther store.
Last Edit: Oct 19, 2011 5:11:00 GMT -5 by labrador
The SS fallschrimjger unit wore SS wool tunics but luftwaffe splinter smocks ad luftwaffe helmets.
They also only took part in one or two operations (and one of those was done in tropical kit).
*very* little was made in camo designs. The internet will try and sell you all sorts of weird and wonderful stuff but in reality even in the waffen ss outside of reversible smocks, helmet covers and the peadot/dot44 suit and panzer suits there wasnt *much* else.
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You could have legal grounds for a refund given that its not like those worn by german paratroopers at all.
Maybe worth a polite email to them saying that you feel it's not fit for purpose and misleadingly advertised.
Ah well, not so unexpected from a $30 smock. at least I don't need to get legal with them, they are REALLY good when it comes to refunds, they do have Dot44 camo or the rain splinter camo. Thanks for the advise, might go with the HBT, those are awesome.
Post by FlyingSquirrelcat on Oct 20, 2011 19:07:15 GMT -5
When it comes to German camo of the war, a majority of the repros you'll find from outfitters like that are going to be cheap some what close knock offs, especially with the fallschirmjager. You really have to do your research and check out some good historical accounts to really know what is the real deal and the BS. Personally, I'd buy from a well-trusted reproducer like ATF or spearhead, that or just go with the apple green smocks they wore on Crete. You can even pick those up from Hessian, although the shading is a little off and i wouldn't get to comfortable with that site, they can be kind of sketch with smocks and other minor details as well. www.hessenantique.com/Fallschirmj_ger_Step_in_Jump_Smock_Green_p/ha18160100.htm This is the smock from hessian, also available on ATF
This is an original color photograph from crete, the paratroopers in this are wearing apple green smocks
be warned that the dot 44 paratrooper smock while possibly actually manufactured was never used either. If you want to be a para, go with splinter. Some stitch nazi's will knock you if it is the sturm manufactured one (which is army splinter A) but in my book, for airsoft and at 30 bucks it'll do if your team is not strict (i use one, since my FJ impression is secondary and i got the smock dirt cheap). The proper splinter pattern for an FJ smock is splinter B, which is a finer, smaller pattern. No splinter B smocks around for that price, though.
Had a quick look around the site. the dot 44 hbt (jacket and pants) set looks decent. it's by sturm. some people knock it because it lacks one color.
Last Edit: Oct 20, 2011 19:17:28 GMT -5 by labrador
Post by kingraptor141 on Oct 20, 2011 20:42:34 GMT -5
I'm not nessaccerly going for FJ, the biggest reason I got it was because I had thought I'd seen it before, and also the price was REALLY nice, beings as you spend $70 on the HBT tunics alone. Also, not part of a unit (unfortunately, this God forsaken state has NOTHING to do) but I did want to be as authentic as possible. I've run hundreds of searches on ebay, hessen, ATF and so forth, are there no good HBT's for a decent price? Preferably Wehrmacht
there you go...if you order 2 jacket and pants are less than 70 for a set. you'll just need to dye them green/or not. They do look german.
Youchunhe's dot 44 tunic and pants set are quite good,almost state of the art but fade quickly.
i did a color comparison of youchunhe's with an original dot 44 and it's pretty damn close. also in the 3rd photo, i am wearing an undyed youchunhe hbt set. So you can see the color for yourself and judge. I sold mine but used it as a pattern for our local tailor to do it in field grey wool.
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