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Post by antidoc on Nov 13, 2011 3:45:23 GMT -5
So I'm just getting into German for reenacting uses not really for airsoft. So my unit is Gebirgs and my unit leader told me to get a basic uniform for an upcoming event. He told me to get m43 pants and a heer tan/water smock. Well from a member on here I got a FJ tan/water smock and I was wondering if it would be acceptable to wear that to the event? Also the event is I think around 43 and against the Russians.
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Adler69
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Post by Adler69 on Nov 13, 2011 16:49:28 GMT -5
So I'm just getting into German for reenacting uses not really for airsoft. So my unit is Gebirgs and my unit leader told me to get a basic uniform for an upcoming event. He told me to get m43 pants and a heer tan/water smock. Well from a member on here I got a FJ tan/water smock and I was wondering if it would be acceptable to wear that to the event? Also the event is I think around 43 and against the Russians. For a one time 1940 event a Bonesack works , but for a 1943 event in the Ost Front , i would say not really.
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Post by mccallion on Nov 13, 2011 18:21:49 GMT -5
the heer tan and water smock and the fj tan and water smock are totally different, unless your event is for narvik 1940 i would not wear the fj smock at all
McCallion
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Post by antidoc on Nov 14, 2011 4:35:49 GMT -5
Yah unit leader just told me good thing I'm buying a splinter smock at the event.
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Post by gaskinsmike on May 8, 2012 19:59:04 GMT -5
honestly, i hear this debate all the time. in the field, many soldiers used any camo they could steal, bargain, trade, manipulate, create or pillage. americans did the same, many times using the german snow camo during the winter. so id say if it is german, you like it, then use it as part of your cover story that it was obtained thru trade. in the long run, who cares? gebirgs, keep in mind, were essentially special warfare soldier. coming from a spec ops background, i can attest to not using standard uniform items when i could find other material available.
mike
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Post by labrador on May 8, 2012 21:25:42 GMT -5
gebirgs were not spec ops in the sense of todays definition. not by a long stetch. They were highly trained traditional mountain infantry. They needed to use bonesacks in the narvik op in 1940 because a number of them were air dropped or glider borne. the only other non standard gebirgsjager uniform i've seen are luftwaffe tropicals worn in 1945 by 3 gebirgsjagers surrendering to the allies and british shorts worn at crete unless the units were DAK integrated. The great majority of gebirgsjager photos show standard feldgrau tunics. berghosen or standard field grey pants, bergmutzen, standard helmets, socks worn rolled over bergschuhe or mountain puttees. I've also noticed that very few were photographed wearing Y strpas. It looks like they wore the canvas backpack or no support straps.
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Post by LϟϟAH1944 on Jul 6, 2012 16:15:07 GMT -5
go with whats normal. Dotn use the "i saw it in 1 photo" excuse. Hell, attached is a pic of a heer panzer KC holder with..yup, you guessed, an allgemeine ss tunic. so was it done? yes. would I do it? no. Attachments:
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Post by LϟϟAH1944 on Jul 6, 2012 16:16:05 GMT -5
also, if anyone can ID him, that would be great. He has the DK and the KC and is an nco, so i shouldnt be hard. photo credits to Wehrmacht Awards forum.
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Post by drizzt04 on Jul 7, 2012 1:24:07 GMT -5
The allgemeine uniform is also the official dress uniform for the SS, so for a portrait or garrison situation, you would see them. Especially with older members who would have been issued one before the SS went waffen. You are correct in that it is not a normal field uniform, but the photo does not look like a field pic.
Speaking as a reenactor, I want to wiegh in on the subject.
Do soldiers use whatever they pick up in the field, by theft, barter, or capture? Yes, of course they do. It happens all the time, and I can also attest to it being done in the modern military. Would you technically be correct if you are a Heer soldier and wore SS smocks. Im sure you would be, and I am almost certain you can find "a" photo to support it.
BUT, this would be few and far between. In a unit of 250 men, you would see one, maybe two, people doing this. In a reenacting unit, or airsoft unit, normally you have 20 or less. Even one person doing this stands out, and makes the entire unit look odd.
Admittedly, I do reenacting and airsoft just because I enjoy shooting at my friends. I am a big kid who still likes to play war. But we do have an obligation to do the soldiers that did this for real service. And the best way we can do this is by dressing and acting like the majority as opposed to the minority. We honor the soldiers and educate the public by portraying ourselves as the common everyday trooper. Not by going out and buying a fantasy uniform that you would rarely or never have seen.
I have no problem with SS smocks, in fact I like them quite alot. But I am not ging to be a Heer soldier with one. I will portray a SS trooper. If you like a tan and water jump smock, then portray FJ. Not to single you out, you just happen to be the one asking a question.
Most reenacting units will not appreciate a person coming to an event wearing unusual or rare items. Some will ask you to leave, and even if they do refund your entry fee, you are still out the gas and food money.
From what I have seen in airsoft, they are trying very hard to be authentic, and it may well be the same situation at some airsoft events.
My friendly advice, wear the correct uniform.
Bill
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Post by LϟϟAH1944 on Jul 7, 2012 10:16:38 GMT -5
The odd thing about the pic I posted, is thta he's actually Heer, and should have never been issued that. It would be rare to have it private purchase, since hes only an NCO. Neat photo nonetheless.
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