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Post by iamthedevil on Apr 4, 2012 20:39:00 GMT -5
id like to hear peoples opinions about this topics, all will be valid in my eyes, just wana get expirenced ww2 airsoft players points of view. im on the maasf forum for new england airsofters. there is a sub forum for ww2. in the past six months there has been a tremendous growth in ww2 airsoft in the maasf community. most happen to have intrests in german. after a ww2 airsoft picture thread being made, lots of german pictures have been posted due to the popularity. i myself beimg one of them with a ss impression along with my team. people have become up in arms saying its too much and its offensive and too many "nazis". and that the insignias are going too far. this a mainly modern airsoft intrest community. opinions please. questions please. thanks.
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Post by Sgt_Tom on Apr 4, 2012 20:43:09 GMT -5
Ask them why they think its offensive.
Tell them it was part of history and needs to be remembered. Tell them not all Germans were bad people. Many were forced into the army. We do it because we are interested in the time period. We are interested in the way the German army worked during the war. Their weapons, uniforms, equipment, and even the frame of mind back them. Show them this forum and the many WW2 airsoft games that are hosted.
It would help if you could show some of there hostile posts so I could see exactly what they are saying.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Apr 4, 2012 21:10:19 GMT -5
It is inevitable that with anything regarding guns, the military or weaponry of any type that some people will react with concern. WW2 is still fresh enough in many peoples minds that it is a more visceral response than previous wars where time has relegated them into a more historical perspective. Union Civil War reenactors still get a cold response in Georgia though no one is still living who experienced that conflict. Wars suck and it is hard to explain why anyone would have a fascination with it although movies, plays and TV dramas also cover unpleasant aspects of everyday life.
Accept that not everyone shares your enthusiasm for history in general, the military or WW2 in particular. Be respectful of other peoples feelings but don't lose any sleep over it. Its hard to recreat conflict without representing the opposition and wearing a German uniform in a historical reenactment or display is no different than an actor in a film. It's a role and doesn't represent a political perspective.
Trying to pursuade others that what you're doing is okay is like friends of mine telling me golf is fun. Nothing they can say will convince me that there is any positive that can come from that endeavor. I wouldn't for a minute suggest there is anything wrong with it, it just isn't for me. The same exact thing is going on with your hobby. It's not for everyone nor should it try to be. Come up with pat responses to explain what you do but don't waste any time beyond the basic explanations and don't expect to win anyone over.
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Post by iamthedevil on Apr 4, 2012 21:20:37 GMT -5
if you go to maasf.org, and scroll down to ww2 youll see it all, u dont need a membership, unless youd like to respond. i appreciate your responses which were the ones i expected
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Post by cdi on Apr 4, 2012 21:57:00 GMT -5
The funniest thing is a few of the people complaining approached me months ago with help to build SS impressions.
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Post by Sgt_Tom on Apr 4, 2012 22:05:07 GMT -5
Which thread is it in the WW2 section?
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Post by Forever_Kaos on Apr 4, 2012 22:40:50 GMT -5
It's part of history, full stop. We get a few people at our display events whom say; "OO, Americans! COOOOOl" "British/Canadian? COOOOOOOOOL!" ".. Ger.... Germs?...?!! *walk away* " While we do have the occasional person who are far more interested in the Germans.. it is interesting, it astounds me. I can feel a bit of your pain. I usually tell people to look at the soldier, how they fought, just forget the politics. They were some of the most valiant, determined, tough fighters during the war.
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Post by iamthedevil on Apr 5, 2012 6:13:30 GMT -5
yeahh, all you do is click ww2 thread, and scroll down til you get the picture thread and other things having doing with that.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Apr 5, 2012 10:20:19 GMT -5
People often ask why, as a Vietnam vet "Why in the world I would ever agree to play an NVA or VC soldier." I remind them that the operative word is "PLAY" Truthfully when I play the enemy it is actually easier to remember that I am playing.
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Post by Schmozilla on Apr 5, 2012 14:23:30 GMT -5
I hate people who are doing this. if they actually looked it up, the only "Nazi's" were germans with high ranks, And the soldiers were fighting more for Germany NOT the NSDAP Political party, The soldiers never really Wanted to commune with the Politics of germany. Look at it this way: Germany Won WWII. If that alternate furture happened people would ask themselves, Why be Allied? They were those democratics of the past. its the fact that they hate on their nationality's enemy. Thats why People ask these pointless questions.
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Post by Schmozilla on Apr 5, 2012 14:25:33 GMT -5
OH YES and in school they some say that Poland and France sucked because they lost quickly, say that to the hundreds of thousands of those soldiers fighting for their country. It would be dfferent if they were in a WWII soldiers shoes.
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Post by Rapture on Apr 5, 2012 15:49:35 GMT -5
LOL dont even bother. Im a mass resident and I stopped going on maasf because everyone on there minus a select few are idiots. I did however post up some pictures of my allied impression to help you out with your lack of GI photo problem.
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Post by Schmozilla on Apr 5, 2012 16:29:45 GMT -5
they think a excellent impression is Jeans t shirt and bandana. oh and some Converse.
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Post by aj czarkowski on Apr 5, 2012 19:20:03 GMT -5
they think a excellent impression is Jeans t shirt and bandana. oh and some Converse. Lol hey that's an expensive uniform ;D
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Post by iamthedevil on Apr 5, 2012 19:42:21 GMT -5
thanks guys, yeah ive found out that most of those guys are pricks. also great pictures!
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Post by Schmozilla on Apr 5, 2012 19:42:22 GMT -5
they think a excellent impression is Jeans t shirt and bandana. oh and some Converse. Lol hey that's an expensive uniform ;D Unless you buy 100$ pair of jeans. 10 dollar white t shirt. Bandana:5-10$ Converse:50. 160+ One of a Million M4's
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Post by Sgt_Tom on Apr 5, 2012 19:48:13 GMT -5
thanks guys, yeah ive found out that most of those guys are pricks. Just from browsing the forum I didn't really see anything that negative. Maybe I just saw all the wrong posts lol.
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Post by aj czarkowski on Apr 5, 2012 19:48:17 GMT -5
Lol the gayster uniform
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Post by iamthedevil on Apr 5, 2012 20:20:49 GMT -5
no you have to play with them or stumble on a certain thread or during the chat box or even on the facebook page. they tend to troll, A LOT, then act like they didnt do anything. but there is a people on there who are great guys.
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Post by jettalewis on Apr 5, 2012 22:48:03 GMT -5
That is one thing I am so happy about this forum. You just don't see anyone beating up on anyone else. There is one other forum, unnamed, where they seem to consider being rude some kind of national pride. The maasf seems to have a kinda slow going WW2 section, but that was just a quick look thru. But it is nice to see WW2 stuff on other sites. It can only be a help to what all of us are doing with the WW2 stuff.
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Post by gadge on Jun 21, 2012 17:41:42 GMT -5
Christ as a European the general level of historical ignorance on that forum is staggering.. sod, that not 'as a European'... as 'person' i'm staggered.
I skimmed through a few threads.
I cant be bothered to log in to argue with idiots but someone might like to point out to them the 'British OSS' didnt use stens... because there was no British OSS
It was the SOE, who went on to train the OSS when America needed agents in Europe. Equally 'commandos' didnt land by glider at Pegasus Bridge under Major Howard it was an airborne infantry unit the 'oxf and bucks' the clue is in the use of a *glider*, commandoes use boats...
Jeez
I know it's details but its the propagation of myths that lead to people thinking the war started in 1942....
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Post by Schmozilla on Jun 22, 2012 16:21:30 GMT -5
This is why i like visiting Living history things, some people have no idea about our past, and why it should be remembered and preserved.
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