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Post by fatheranderson on Apr 11, 2012 19:20:14 GMT -5
Like the title says, I'm new to airsoft. I've been a WWII collector for as long as I can remember so I'm definitely not new to the weaponry (I have a relatively decent collection and am more than happy to provide measurements and specifications on anything I have in the collection for people that wish to duplicate it in airsoft format), but I have no idea where to start looking for the weapons I'd like to carry, so I figure I'll ask here before doing anything else.
Anyway, I'm looking for either a PPS43, a PPD40, a KP44, a DTM, a Bren Mk II (not really a fan of the Mk.1 sights in field conditions because they can be a bit... annoying to adjust... plus I already have a real steel Mk.1, so I don't need an airsoft one), a Type 2 FG42 or... and I know I'm more than likely SOL here... a nice late model AVS-36 (what can I say? I dream big).
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Post by Sgt_Tom on Apr 11, 2012 19:50:59 GMT -5
None of those weapons are made in Airsoft unless you wanted to make a custom one yourself.
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Post by Schmozilla on Apr 11, 2012 19:57:36 GMT -5
yup. you certainly are dreaming big. wont see these on the field in a while.
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Post by fatheranderson on Apr 11, 2012 21:29:01 GMT -5
Well, it was worth trying right?
On a related note, there's a group in Scotland that appear to have an airsoft FG42 up and running (I'll post the youtube video if I can find it). Also, I'm more than willing to do custom... once I figure out how to work on airsoft weaponry...
Until then, is there such a thing as a good, cheap PPSh or Mosin PE sniper (or regular 91/30 infantry model and an a-la-carte bent bolt handle... which would be easy enough to mount a scope set on)?
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Post by Sgt_Tom on Apr 11, 2012 22:57:34 GMT -5
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Post by fatheranderson on Apr 11, 2012 23:10:26 GMT -5
A friend of mine has the Ares PPSh and the blowback function broke within a week, piston was stripped within 2 months. Ares was great about the warranty service, but after seeing it break that quickly (and hugging my PPSh while assuring it that nothing that bad would ever happen to it... mostly because it doesn't have a piston to strip...), I'd rather avoid the whole issue and just go with the Hexagon one you mentioned.
A quick google search brought up some problems with the drum magazines on first generation Hexagon weapons... but I can't find any records of consistent problems with second generation versions (apart from the standard, rare errors at the factory such as a badly stamped sight or a poorly threaded screw hole, which is standard attrition for a company producing a few thousand units per year). Would you happen to know of any faults that tend to run in the design?
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Post by Schmozilla on Apr 12, 2012 5:15:32 GMT -5
if youre doing russian (i presume your are ) a private would more or likely have a mosin nagant. Also, there seems to be no problems with the hexagon PPSH, other than the drums which they fixed and just made mid-caps.
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Post by Sgt_Tom on Apr 12, 2012 8:52:25 GMT -5
A friend of mine has the Ares PPSh and the blowback function broke within a week, piston was stripped within 2 months. Ares was great about the warranty service, but after seeing it break that quickly (and hugging my PPSh while assuring it that nothing that bad would ever happen to it... mostly because it doesn't have a piston to strip...), I'd rather avoid the whole issue and just go with the Hexagon one you mentioned. A quick google search brought up some problems with the drum magazines on first generation Hexagon weapons... but I can't find any records of consistent problems with second generation versions (apart from the standard, rare errors at the factory such as a badly stamped sight or a poorly threaded screw hole, which is standard attrition for a company producing a few thousand units per year). Would you happen to know of any faults that tend to run in the design? Nope you should pretty much be fine with the Hexagon PPSH41. You may run into some simple internal problems at some point you never know with airsoft guns. Overall its much more reliable then the Ares.
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Post by fatheranderson on Apr 12, 2012 9:27:10 GMT -5
if youre doing russian (i presume your are ) a private would more or likely have a mosin nagant I'm actually going to be doing NKVD border guard more than likely, or possibly Marines if I can get a decent price on the uniform... (and find a uniform in my size... which is going to be the tough part...) Actually now that I did a few quick searches I realized that a company is bringing out a ZB26 replica... which is insanely tempting apart from the fact that the magazines only hold 160 rounds, which appears to be extremely low capacity compared to other airsoft weaponry (such as the M60 and M249), and would therefore utterly negate any benefit one might otherwise enjoy from a support weapon. Also, a detailed google search brought up a company called Shoot n Scoot that used to do a Bren replica and unfortunately no longer does. They also had a Vickers, which I imagine would be a nightmare to use in an actual game, but would be fun nonetheless...
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Post by aj czarkowski on Apr 12, 2012 16:56:00 GMT -5
160 rounds definitly isn't an extremely low capacity. Some of the more modern MG's are able to hold a hell of alot more, but remember the most common WWII airsoft weapons usually hold around 60 with their standard magazine... MP40, Thompson, and M1 Garand if you use M14 magazines (Of course in real life it was usually around 30 or 5) The reason the capacity is so low is because it is loaded from the top and high capacity magazines are worked from the bottom so it wouldn't load.
Remember though the ZB26 is $800+ so there's not going to be too many of those around.
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Post by aquist on Apr 13, 2012 17:33:16 GMT -5
OK,I am probably not going to be any help on weapons, I am a chaplain. yes, a German chaplain or kriegspfarrer and carry a P. 08 I always went to battles as the evangelisches chaplain. this year i switched to Katholisches my litzen has a purple background, so technically I am Father Allen.
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Post by fatheranderson on Apr 13, 2012 20:53:47 GMT -5
OK,I am probably not going to be any help on weapons, I am a chaplain. yes, a German chaplain or kriegspfarrer and carry a P. 08 I always went to battles as the evangelisches chaplain. this year i switched to Katholisches my litzen has a purple background, so technically I am Father Allen. That is awesome. I didn't know there were chaplains in airsoft (I figured the Medic was the only support role on the field). On a related note, my name is actually a reference to the Hellsing series of Mangas and Anime. Also, wouldn't a Garand with an M14 mag technically be a BM59 clone?
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Post by fatheranderson on Apr 13, 2012 20:55:11 GMT -5
Well... okay... maybe a little different... but definitely similar.
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Post by aj czarkowski on Apr 13, 2012 21:41:45 GMT -5
It's an exact replica of a T-20 Rifle An M1 Garand that uses a BAR Magazine, it was modified by John Garand to fire full auto <------------------- 2nd bat M1 Garand conversion ;D
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Post by fatheranderson on Apr 15, 2012 10:33:17 GMT -5
It's an exact replica of a T-20 Rifle An M1 Garand that uses a BAR Magazine, it was modified by John Garand to fire full auto <------------------- 2nd bat M1 Garand conversion ;D Derp... forgot all about the T20. This is what happens when you limit yourself to studying one country's weaponry... you end up forgetting about the stuff from other countries. Also, it didn't help that I've been lusting after a nice Beretta BM59E for a while now, so its image was stuck firmly in my mind. Also, I bought a WE Hi-Power and after finding out it doesn't actually work with my original '44 Inglis contract stock, took it out back, fired about 30 rounds, and ended up with it going uncontrollably full auto and hemorrhaging gas everywhere. Lesson learned, do NOT buy guns without checking the reviews first.
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Post by aj czarkowski on Apr 15, 2012 19:58:57 GMT -5
It's an exact replica of a T-20 Rifle An M1 Garand that uses a BAR Magazine, it was modified by John Garand to fire full auto <------------------- 2nd bat M1 Garand conversion ;D Derp... forgot all about the T20. This is what happens when you limit yourself to studying one country's weaponry... you end up forgetting about the stuff from other countries. Also, it didn't help that I've been lusting after a nice Beretta BM59E for a while now, so its image was stuck firmly in my mind. Also, I bought a WE Hi-Power and after finding out it doesn't actually work with my original '44 Inglis contract stock, took it out back, fired about 30 rounds, and ended up with it going uncontrollably full auto and hemorrhaging gas everywhere. Lesson learned, do NOT buy guns without checking the reviews first. And I was going to buy a WE hi-power as I have the real steel. Now I know not to
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Post by warbirdguy1 on Apr 15, 2012 20:42:18 GMT -5
T-20 was an interesting concept, I guess you can call it the Pre-Alpha or forerunner version of the M14. As you may have seen, the M14 airsoft rifle series is great for modifications. Soon, hopefully, if you are looking for Garands, G&G and ICS may be releasing their airsoft electric Garands in June.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Apr 16, 2012 2:01:40 GMT -5
There is another company that makes a PPSH and from firsthand comments from both owners and a retailer I trust (Airsoft Extreme) has been very reliable. I have held and fired it and am extremely impressed. it is less expensive that theHexagon offering and by all accounts much much better. It is wood and at present only offers the drum mag. the zeta mosin is supposed to be quite nice as well. I don't recall the brand name of the PPSH but its listed on Airsoft Extreme.
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Post by jettalewis on Apr 16, 2012 16:35:37 GMT -5
Well, when I get my G&G or ICS I'm going to make a T-20
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Post by Ersatzjack on Apr 16, 2012 22:40:20 GMT -5
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Post by 2nd Bat on Apr 17, 2012 0:07:33 GMT -5
I stand corrected it is a clone of the Ares. it has blow back which I personally couldn't care less about but again by all accounts it has been a real good gun. Airsoft extreme dropped the ares due to repeated problems with them
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Post by fatheranderson on Apr 17, 2012 10:39:03 GMT -5
And I was going to buy a WE hi-power as I have the real steel. Now I know not to I strongly recommend avoiding it. My experience apparently wasn't unique, which tells me the weapon wasn't designed properly (the disconnector piece seems to be made of some form of cheap zinc that simply can't handle the blowback). That said, I apparently have a first generation one (non adjustable hopup), and apparently they released a new version of it recently that's received much more favorable reviews, so it's possible that they fixed the problems with the new one.
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Post by fatheranderson on Apr 17, 2012 11:10:03 GMT -5
On an unrelated note, I have just located two weapons that I would not carry if they were the last weapons on earth... (they also have a silver version which won't embed properly) From what I'm reading on Ehobbyasia (which... apparently sells airsoft guns at prices that sound FAR too good to be true), these monstrosities have real wood stocks, which is a nice touch, and are "As seen in the movie 'SAVING PRIVATE RYAN'" Ya know, I've seen Saving Private Ryan well over 20 times, and I don't remember anyone pulling out a freakin pimped Thompson (I'm fairly sure the Germans would've loved it if the Americans were carrying weapons this ridiculously flashy!). Maybe I just need to watch that movie again to be 100% sure...
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Post by aj czarkowski on Apr 17, 2012 17:23:16 GMT -5
I thought they look awesome, I was planning on buying them for my 30s gangster "impression". But if you were to bring them to an event, would they be allowed? lol ;D Maybe for a rich lieutenant or colonel who had one custom made for him =)
Anyway... The S&T PPSH41 is complete crap, my friend owned two of them. One was broke right out of the box (faulty gears) the others charging handel broke in less than 200 shots. And I was there when it happened, when he opened it up and first fired it. When he fixed the charging handle, something happened to the gears. I wouldn't recommend it at all
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Post by jimmiroquai on Apr 17, 2012 18:11:31 GMT -5
SRC didn't make a PPSH. Only HP, Ares, and S&T (which is a clone of the Ares). I'd still go for the HP PPSH. The Ares and S&T look better, but i'm not comfortable with the amount of proprietary parts. If they break (which they will, eventually), you'll be left with an expensive wall hanger/paper weight. HP PPSH parts are all compatible with aftermarket parts.
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Post by aj czarkowski on Apr 17, 2012 19:50:40 GMT -5
Whoops, meant S&T
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Post by HornetWSO on Apr 17, 2012 20:58:50 GMT -5
I have the S&T PPsh and love it! I disable the blow back unless I'm plinking. Never had a problem, shoots hard and accurate.
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Post by Sgt_Tom on Apr 17, 2012 21:05:18 GMT -5
On an unrelated note, I have just located two weapons that I would not carry if they were the last weapons on earth... (they also have a silver version which won't embed properly) From what I'm reading on Ehobbyasia (which... apparently sells airsoft guns at prices that sound FAR too good to be true), these monstrosities have real wood stocks, which is a nice touch, and are "As seen in the movie 'SAVING PRIVATE RYAN'" Ya know, I've seen Saving Private Ryan well over 20 times, and I don't remember anyone pulling out a freakin pimped Thompson (I'm fairly sure the Germans would've loved it if the Americans were carrying weapons this ridiculously flashy!). Maybe I just need to watch that movie again to be 100% sure... eHobby Asia is very reliable by the way. On an unrelated note, I have just located two weapons that I would not carry if they were the last weapons on earth... (they also have a silver version which won't embed properly) From what I'm reading on Ehobbyasia (which... apparently sells airsoft guns at prices that sound FAR too good to be true), these monstrosities have real wood stocks, which is a nice touch, and are "As seen in the movie 'SAVING PRIVATE RYAN'" Ya know, I've seen Saving Private Ryan well over 20 times, and I don't remember anyone pulling out a freakin pimped Thompson (I'm fairly sure the Germans would've loved it if the Americans were carrying weapons this ridiculously flashy!). Maybe I just need to watch that movie again to be 100% sure... eHobby Asia is very reliable by the way. I think the bad thing about the Ares/S&T PPSH41 is the blowback. If you have the skill to disable it your good to go probably.
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Post by fatheranderson on Apr 19, 2012 11:45:11 GMT -5
I'm thinking I'm going to go with the HP, because I, too, like the aftermarket compatibility factor. I'm usually fairly rough with my equipment (my poor PPS43 is on its second barrel right now... turns out the average lifespan of a US made non-chromed barrel is about 8,800 surplus rounds, which is why you should always use the chrome lined Polish ones in your builds), so I need to make sure that a steady stream of replacement parts is available.
Plus... I am not a huge fan of the whole blowback thing, because it makes it look like you're firing from a closed bolt position (which is not kosher for what was originally an open bolt weapon) and doesn't add any realism to the weapon at all (yes, I'm nit picky about those things...) while also adding another part that can break eventually.
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Post by aj czarkowski on Apr 19, 2012 16:28:13 GMT -5
Blowback on most AEG's end up braking the gun anyway, I don't own any, but if I did I would disable the blowback. HP is the best quality, and it's cheaper
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