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Post by drunkalbertan on May 14, 2012 20:46:30 GMT -5
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Post by aj czarkowski on May 14, 2012 20:56:37 GMT -5
Doesn't make sense, it doesn't come with a bolt, magazine, hopup, or inner barrel.
It's just a stock and outer barrel, how are they selling that for $450?
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Post by warbirdguy1 on May 14, 2012 20:58:12 GMT -5
Oh wow! I will never afford this but nice to see one sub-$1,000,000 lol
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Post by aj czarkowski on May 14, 2012 21:01:28 GMT -5
Oh wow! I will never afford this but nice to see one sub-$1,000,000 lol But you don't understand, this isn't a complete rifle... if it was then it would be $1,000
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Post by drunkalbertan on May 14, 2012 21:11:13 GMT -5
Looks like they're production photos. I would assume they would sell it with a bolt. It is Classic Army after all. A pretty reputable Airsoft manufacturing company.
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Post by Sgt_Tom on May 14, 2012 22:55:02 GMT -5
I am sure the pictures are not the finished product. I am guessing it will function just like their new Kar98. By the way that is G&G not Classic Army.
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Post by drunkalbertan on May 15, 2012 18:31:28 GMT -5
Whoops, yup. My bad. I wonder if they'll upgrade the bolt.
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Post by 2nd Bat on May 16, 2012 3:26:31 GMT -5
Wow that looks great! Obviously an early prototype effort and not as yet finished. $450.00 will be a nice price assuming it functions well and is finished out as nicely as it appears. Unfortunately given that they were unable to post even a finished prototype picture it is far from being released. I will certainly keep my eye out for this rifle. When it rains it pours! So good to finally see US main battle rifles being talked about as credible releases.
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Post by roadwarrior on May 16, 2012 10:46:39 GMT -5
It might be a Kit for the K98, but most likely not.
I'm interested in this, now just need a job to get money for it :/
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Post by jettalewis on May 16, 2012 12:51:47 GMT -5
I fear both sgttom and 2ndbat are correct and this is going to be a shell ejecting gas operated Springfield that operates just like the K98. I know I would have loved to have had this receiver when I was building my Springfield. It does bother me that if they are actually selling this gun why they don't have any finished rifle photos. This one I will definately hold off on until I hear some rave reviews about it.
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Post by jettalewis on May 16, 2012 13:08:13 GMT -5
Hey fellas. Don't think that the airsoft builders are not paying attention to what we are doing on these sites. Take a look. This new Springfield is almost a dead copy of the one I built ;D ;D ;D [/img] Attachments:
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Post by aj czarkowski on May 16, 2012 20:44:46 GMT -5
Hey fellas. Don't think that the airsoft builders are not paying attention to what we are doing on these sites. Take a look. This new Springfield is almost a dead copy of the one I built ;D ;D ;D [/img][/quote] Wow! That looks near exact It's too bad you didn't put a patent on it, they stole your idea and you could have been rich But... then we wouldn't have the rifle lol Looks like it will function like the Tanaka or G&G Kar98, which is a good thing as long as they have reinforced the bolt
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Post by Schmozilla on May 17, 2012 13:55:06 GMT -5
oh god.....if it has problems like the GnG 98, ill be pretty sad, almost as bad as KTW, at least its cheaper and there will hopefully have aftermarket parts
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Post by Sgt_Tom on May 17, 2012 15:11:13 GMT -5
I am guessing the internals will be the same so yea you can expect the same problems.
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Post by jimmiroquai on May 17, 2012 18:19:53 GMT -5
oh god.....if it has problems like the GnG 98, ill be pretty sad, almost as bad as KTW, at least its cheaper and there will hopefully have aftermarket parts The G&G k98 isn't as bad as the KTW. Nothing is as bad as KTW, except maybe the Dboys K98. Seriously, the reports about the G&G k98 are exaggerated. It has teething problems yes, but they are being addressed by the company. I mean, it's almost a 100% clone of the Tanaka k98, one of the best gas rifles out there, how can it be as bad as a KTW? This springfield looks promising, and i for one am excited that these companies are doing ww2 at all. I hope it IS like the G&G and tanaka and not some gas-in-the-bolt type thing. I don't think it'll be a shell ejector either. I also hope it won't be a springer. Don't get me wrong, i love springers. they are more consistent than gas. But, from my experience with building bar10 conversions, as well as having the Zeta labs mosin on hand, no springer will ever be as consistent and upgradable as the bar10/aps2 platform, but you can never fit that system into a realistic ww2 rifle receiver and have it look spot on. The zeta labs, while 100% spot on, the internal mechasm was hard as heck to rack the bolt with the stock spring, let alone stiffer ones. And trigger pull was horrendous. I was spoiled by the perfection that is the Bar/vsr10/aps2 platform and any other srpinger system has yet to prove it's mettle.
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Post by aj czarkowski on May 17, 2012 21:52:59 GMT -5
I hope it does use the Tanaka and G&G kar98 system. To me they actually seem more reliable I've used both JG Bar10's and TM VSR11's (Supposed to be the best in that series since it's the original) in my Kar98 and the sears are complete crap After ~100 shots with the JG stock trigger set the sears broke, the second sear was also JG and also broke around 100 shots, then the third final an original TM sear, and that broke in 33 shots (YES, I counted). Then the bolt finally broke, and now I give up. I have had terrible luck with the Bar/Vsr platforms, they shoot great, but are disposable and only last 100 shots, then you need a new one ;D I completely hate them
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Post by Sgt_Tom on May 18, 2012 0:06:13 GMT -5
JG Bar-10 is fine apart from the weak sear. Buy an upgraded set for $30 and your good. I am not too impressed with the G&G Kar98 from what I've seen of it.
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Post by jimmiroquai on May 18, 2012 4:31:36 GMT -5
Ah but once upgraded the VSR/Bar10 platform is a dream to use. I'm pretty sure no gas rifle can out perform my Bar10 conversions. If only bar10 internals and upgrades could fit into K98 and springfield and nagant actions...until then, gas it is...
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Post by Sgt_Tom on May 18, 2012 9:28:05 GMT -5
A VSR-10 bolt could fit in a Kar98, Springfields, or Nagant receiver. You'd just have to make the slot for the bolt to go in larger. The actual M700 Remington which the VSR-10 is based off of has a smaller size bolt then the VSR-10 does. If they did it with the M700 they can do it with a Kar98 or any other rifle. Why they keep dumbing around with gas guns I don't know.
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Post by jimmiroquai on May 18, 2012 18:26:20 GMT -5
Nope. For it to look 1:1, you will need a smaller diameter cylinder. For it to perform as good as the vsr (maintaining the same air volume), this smaller cylinder will then have to be longer, giving us problems with magazine fitting. The problem, (i'm sure anyone who's built a custom bar98k would know) would not be the receiver itself but the part after, above which the rear sight sits. This will have to accommodate the longer cylinder and will therefore be bigger than usual, and the rear sight will sit higher. This isn't a problem with M700s because they have bull barrels. Zeta labs (and KTW) tried to address these issues with the mosin. While their efforts were commendable, performance still fell short. The bolt was hard to rack and trigger pull was awful. It was a good start but as it was, getting it perform even close to an upgraded VSR would be tough, not to mention the lack of upgrade parts. I suspect that airsoft companies producing these WW2 guns want to satisfy both the reenactors and airsofters, hence their trying to be 100% spot on with the looks. And so far, the cheapest and most cost effective way to do this would be to make it gas. Magazine in the right place, and spot on dimensions. I've worked with gas, spring, and electric airsoft guns for 20+ years, and, given the right tweaks they can all be quite skirmishable. You just have to know the strengths and weaknesses. If you are going to use this as a battle rifle, then gas is just fine. But if you want to play as a precision sniper, then go convert a VSR instead. Me, i'm just happy that they are producing more WW2 airsoft guns. Maybe, someday, a big company will recognize our growing niche and spend big bucks on redesigning the vsr/aps system into our favorite rifles.
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Post by Sgt_Tom on May 18, 2012 20:32:54 GMT -5
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Post by aj czarkowski on May 18, 2012 20:57:08 GMT -5
Same on mine, the sight is way too high. But anyway, most reenactors don't care if your rifles a bit off, as long as they immediatly knows what it is
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Post by Sgt_Tom on May 18, 2012 23:38:45 GMT -5
The sight being high problem can be fixed. The width of the part it sits on cannot.
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Post by Schmozilla on May 19, 2012 9:50:03 GMT -5
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Post by jettalewis on May 19, 2012 12:05:58 GMT -5
I just wish they would listen to the airsoft community and make it a springer.
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Post by aj czarkowski on May 19, 2012 14:32:36 GMT -5
The sight being high problem can be fixed. The width of the part it sits on cannot. True the height problem can be fixed, but I'm too lazy and the rifles broke until I get ahold of a steel sear
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Post by Sgt_Tom on May 19, 2012 16:43:46 GMT -5
I haven't done it right yet. I planning on making my personal Kar98's sight low though. I plan on using sheet plastic to fabricate the sight base.
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Post by jimmiroquai on May 20, 2012 19:04:10 GMT -5
I've tried to make a very very low rear sight on my latest build (APS2 base). I just used the rear sight from the Dboys and fabricated a sight box out of sintra board. It's as low as i could make it. The sight was practically just lying on the APS2 bull barrel. Unfortunately, it's still too high. The bull barrel is just too high. Anyway, this is OT already...
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Post by Sgt_Tom on May 20, 2012 19:33:49 GMT -5
Still off topic but that is too bad. I am sure it looks a lot better then before though.
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Post by jimmiroquai on May 27, 2012 18:11:51 GMT -5
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