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Post by ScottCollins on May 10, 2013 20:05:56 GMT -5
I really am interested in the Napoleonic Wars and I was just playing some Mount and Musket when the idea popped into my head. I want to make a 1777 Charleville rifle once I build up enough funds. I would take the real flintlock mechanism and instead of black powder, I would put smoke powder in it. The for the ammo, it would be like a paper cartridge but with flour and a bb inside the paper. For obvious reasons it would be gas powered. Now I'm not saying that I will build it, I'm just asking for your thoughts one the matter. I know I wouldn't use it much but when I'm at regular airsoft battles and they say they're going to do a line battle then, hell, I would have just the thing!
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Post by 2nd Bat on May 10, 2013 20:25:21 GMT -5
Flour won't generate the effect you are looking for but Talc powder might if you had enough of it. Although odds are you would want to use gas but I've always thought there would be a way to cock a powerful spring gun with a ram rod. Odds are an 8mm BB would be the way to go rather than 6mm however.
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Post by ScottCollins on May 10, 2013 20:30:45 GMT -5
Yeah I was thinkin of 8mm just so that the cone leading to the real barrel wouldn't be too obvious. I'll take a look at talc powder though, thanks for that suggestion. I don't think that a wooden ramrod could cock an airsoft spring though and even if it did it would distort the rifle because there is no natural room in the rifle for a spring. I think the best bet would be for a CO2 cartridge underneath a Copper or Brass plate disguised as decoration for the rifle or a tank in the stock.
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Post by volkssturm on May 10, 2013 23:13:47 GMT -5
Funny story. The way I got into Airsoft. I'm a history nut and I've always been interested in the frontier period, French and Indian War, Revolution, Blackhawk War and the rest. Also I'm part of the generation that grew up with Davy Crockett and Daniel Boone. Also have done a little blackpowder shooting. I never played paintball but I was familiar with it, and I got basically the same idea as you, build a "flintlock rifle" or musket firing paintballs with a charge of flour for "smoke." So I started looking around the internet to see if anyone else had thought of this and was playing frontier themed paintball games. Never found anyone, but I kept running across references to "airsoft".
Stil lthink it could be a fun idea, but I'm getting a little old to run around the woods. Never got around to trying to build a gun. I envisaged it as having a compressed air tank hidden in the stock .
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Post by jettalewis on May 11, 2013 14:07:34 GMT -5
Warren, at ShootnScoot did something on this, but I am pretty sure his was spring powered. Dunno how he did his mechanism though. The rifles looked pretty authentic.
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Post by 2nd Bat on May 11, 2013 22:06:38 GMT -5
I saw a guy with a spring powered, beautifully done revolutionary wat era type airsoft gun. Never saw it shoot and have no idea how it was cocked. No facility for talc powder that i am aware of. Clubbings, swords and bayonets probably accounted for most battlefield casulties as a guy can cover a lot of time in the time it takes to cock and load a musket. Not sure how to reconcille that in a safe event.
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Post by shiftysgarand on May 12, 2013 9:45:12 GMT -5
Another problem with this would be numbers. Airsoft is mainly a young people's sport, and I don't know many kids my age who would be willing to stand in long lines and be shot at in the open.
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Post by ScottCollins on May 12, 2013 18:38:15 GMT -5
What do you think would be a good base gun for this? I'm not going to start building it until the summer but just so I know.
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Post by volkssturm on May 12, 2013 21:14:46 GMT -5
Another problem with this would be numbers. Airsoft is mainly a young people's sport, and I don't know many kids my age who would be willing to stand in long lines and be shot at in the open. True, this is the age of the "Made by Mattel 'Spray-O-Matic.'" Harrrummmppphhh! Kids today think Sergeant York was a C-Ration Peppermint Pattie. Even Vietnam is ancient history to these young whippersnappers! But anyway, there's a lot of scope for scenarios based around light infantry tactics with muzzleloaders from the French and Indian Wars through the Civil War. But it's probably a bit too specialized to attract many people. Look how hard it seems to be to get people into WWII airsoft. But it sure would be fun to play "Sharpe's Rifles" or "Roger's Rangers" Just toying with an idea here. The barrels of most muzzleloaders are pretty big, since they typically run from about .45 cal. to .69 or .75 cal. They're also long as the dickens. What if you took a bolt action springer and mated an 8mm barrel to it. Remove the bolt handle and rigged up a way to cock it using a ramrod? Cover the whole thing with a barrel shaped shroud. The BB would be dropped down the barrel. I wouldn't want to put the ramrod down the actual barrel, because you know some idiot would accidentally shoot it at someone. (This actually was a classic rookie mistake in real life. A panicky soldier would leave the ramrod in the barrel and shoot it away.)
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Post by OwO Jima on May 13, 2013 0:48:52 GMT -5
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Post by volkssturm on May 13, 2013 0:58:52 GMT -5
Sacre Blue! ;D
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Post by 2nd Bat on May 13, 2013 1:19:29 GMT -5
Wow, BAR 10. Very cool.
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Post by wilhelmmoa on May 13, 2013 8:25:30 GMT -5
For the charleville part I would use a Denix Brown Bess becuase it's just close enough and maybe a BAR 10 but its a tough one.
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Post by stuka on May 13, 2013 8:29:55 GMT -5
It would need to be made without a hop to simulate inaccurate fire to make line formation at least somewhat practical
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Post by ScottCollins on May 13, 2013 17:41:55 GMT -5
Well my friend and I decided that we are going to build the entire thing from scratch. We'll cut down the tree make the stock and I have a small forge that I can work metal with. I think I might try and find the flintlock mechanism online though because I can really only do small metal like decorations with my forge.
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Post by ScottCollins on May 13, 2013 17:46:11 GMT -5
and also even with the Bar-10 I would have to bolt it. In the article of the guy building it it says that you do have to bolt it and I really don't want to do that. I'm thinking of building it from a pistol so I can have those little canisters and I would just buy a new barrel that's longer
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Post by mastermike95 on May 13, 2013 18:09:56 GMT -5
My friends and I used to do musket or line battles. We all bought these cheap SKS airsoft spring rifles off ebay that came with bayonets. We would load 1 bb at a time to simulate the reloading slow time of a musket. And if we were feeling like a WW1 style game, each team would have 1 AEG with an almost dead battery to act as a LMG. It was the funnest types of airsoft ive ever played.
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