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Post by wilhelmmoa on Dec 14, 2013 19:39:36 GMT -5
I am wondering if the 101st airborne ever had the m1897 Trench Gun in their ranks, I am joining the 502 PIR blank fire unit and I am wondering if anyone knows if they used trench gun so I can buy one.
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Post by stuka on Dec 14, 2013 22:52:16 GMT -5
I am sure some were acquired but i doubt it was standard issue by any means. A trench gun would be over a grand so, might wanna get something more appropriate instead but i'd ask them if i were you
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Post by wilhelmmoa on Dec 15, 2013 1:06:57 GMT -5
I am sure some were acquired but i doubt it was standard issue by any means. A trench gun would be over a grand so, might wanna get something more appropriate instead but i'd ask them if i were you I would get a nor info one for $400.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Dec 15, 2013 2:27:36 GMT -5
The trench gun was NOT part of the Airborne Infantry Regiments Table of Organization but that certainly does not mean no one carried them. understand that it's use would be very very uncommon. Personally if I am going to jump behind enemy lines knowing I might have to operate for days, maybe over a week without resupply do I want to have a weapon where I can't be swapping ammo with my buddies or scavenging my reloads? Hmmmmm? I think I'd stick with a Garand, Thompson, Grease gun or carbine.
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Post by shiftysgarand on Dec 15, 2013 10:25:14 GMT -5
Has anyone made a trench gun out of a Marushin/ACM M500 gas shotgun?
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Post by shiftsup on Dec 15, 2013 12:12:43 GMT -5
Shotguns were rarely used in the ETO. As mentioned not part of the Regimental T O & E.
However, Sgt Harvill W. Lazenby of 505th PIR 82nd AB dropped into France with a private purchase sawed off 12 guage double barrel shotgun. He wanted something readily accessible when he hit the ground. He "ditched" it almost immediately thereafter as he was afraid of being captured with it. Turns out Lazenby was captured and surrounded shortly after the jump into France. Lazenby and Sgt Robert D Henderson escaped captivity during and travelled at night and eventually made their way back to American lines on July 16, 1944.
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Post by shiftysgarand on Dec 15, 2013 12:17:26 GMT -5
I have also seen pictures of MPs with Trench Guns, so no doubt illicit procurement occured.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Dec 15, 2013 14:48:46 GMT -5
Shotguns were indeed present in MP units. In George Stevens private color home movies you see quite a few of them in the hands of guards in the mass surrender handling shots. It would be a very uncommon weapon for an Infantryman in the ETO. So many great choice now for US troops I am confused why this would even be on the consideration list unless you already had one.
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Post by stuka on Dec 15, 2013 14:58:59 GMT -5
nor info?please elaborate, is it just for blanks?
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Post by aj czarkowski on Dec 15, 2013 15:25:44 GMT -5
He "ditched" it almost immediately thereafter as he was afraid of being captured with it. Why was he afraid of being captured with it?
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Post by shiftsup on Dec 15, 2013 15:50:03 GMT -5
He "ditched" it almost immediately thereafter as he was afraid of being captured with it. Why was he afraid of being captured with it? Never read exactly why he had these concerns but my guess is had something to do with the knowledge of thr German's dislike of American usage of shotguns in WW1 (Germans officially protested against their use in WW1) and / or that a sawed off shotgun is traditionally a "bandit" weapon.
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Post by tootall on Feb 14, 2014 14:41:53 GMT -5
I have to agree with BAT2, our guys did have some common sense.
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Post by stuka on Feb 15, 2014 11:42:45 GMT -5
The complaint from what i saw by the Germans was basically that it was too effective. They complained that it was being used to inhumanly harm their soldiers(like they cared lol) before actually killing them. The US responding by stating that it was not the initial purpose to simply harm and by germanies logic, they might as well stop using rifles as well since they could harm instead of kill as well(misplaced shot or w/e)
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