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Post by Dracul on Oct 7, 2014 17:05:52 GMT -5
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Post by insterburger on Oct 7, 2014 18:30:37 GMT -5
Great to know about, but with the push toward tacticals another gun that was historically full auto only is of at best limited value (for me even more so due to its relatively low use outside of SS, SD, and "police" units).
Still, a decent price on an interesting gun. But when will someone come out with an affordable, skimishable G43?
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Post by Dracul on Oct 7, 2014 19:01:12 GMT -5
Yeah, we seem to be getting more and more WWII guns, but still not of what we need on the market.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Oct 7, 2014 22:12:57 GMT -5
Any WW2 weapon not normally available Is welcome of course but like most of us I have to wonder why the more common, more iconic weapons aren't made available first. The G 43 and even FJ 42 were far more abundant and seem like they would have way more interest than this.
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Post by volkssturm on Oct 7, 2014 22:28:34 GMT -5
I expect it mostly has to do with commonality of internal parts. The MP41 probably uses the same internals as the MP40, and the externals are pretty close. Not that much development cost to bring out an MP41. A G43 could probably use an M14 gear box, but it would take some changes (the safety for one). Or they might have to develop an entirely new one. That gets into some money for one model with a relatively small market.
Too bad the MP41 wasn't used more widely. I like the wood stock better than the folder.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2014 23:33:56 GMT -5
I welcome this. SRC's Mp 40 is an actual functioning airsoft model unlike the sketchy AGM, one.
IT has a great hop up, with nice range and is very sturdy but hard to find. iIts principal draw back is it only came with a hi cap which was torture to wind effectively.
I noted the boxed version of this came with standards of which I'd love to get a hold of some .
In any event I can't speak highly enough of my Mp 40 and hope they come out with a revamped version as mines campaigned to death.
while I agree recent weapons have been very theatre specific the new models are all killer. Having Just gotten the Beretta modelo 38 and the echo1 ZB 30 they both are extremely good shooters of which I could not recommend them more highly. evike has them at fairly modest prices as well.
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Post by Dracul on Oct 8, 2014 0:33:02 GMT -5
The question is, does the SRC Mp40/41 use the same type of MP40 mags that the AGM one uses?
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Post by halfnelson on Oct 8, 2014 9:14:51 GMT -5
No, it doesn't. SRC and AGM mags are different sadly.
I have to reply to this statement by paladin: "SRC's Mp 40 is an actual functioning airsoft model unlike the sketchy AGM, one." I owned a AGM MP40 and used it regularly for over a year, and it was one of the most reliable and long reaching AEG's I've ever owned. It shot at around 100m/s (330ft/s) and could easily reach out to about 50 meters (around 170 feet) with pretty good accuracy, and all the internals were stock. Never experienced any problems with it at all. The only negative about it was the external finish of the gun and the ugly fire selector, but for that price there's no excuse not to attack it with some steel wool and remove the selector to make it a bit more pretty. Sold it as I was focusing more on my Vietnam-era impressions, which I kinda regret now as it was a lovely airsoft gun.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2014 10:22:25 GMT -5
truly wish I had your experience Halfnelson, my AGM as were the other three our unit ran were a constant disappointment.
Perhaps as some of these go a v2,3,4 occurred making it more functional later. I'd gladly give it another try as their cheap and Im sitting on over 20 mags for the things.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Oct 8, 2014 20:04:16 GMT -5
Tom,
I too have had good luck with my AGM MP40s, I have two of them although long range and accuracy are certainly not their strong suit (nor should it be!). They have been used a lot (as loaner guns) and continue to soldier on. I haven't modified them in the least and did buy later rather than initial offerings.
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Post by insterburger on Oct 8, 2014 21:40:19 GMT -5
My MP40s have been fine. One was bought as a CPO from AMS, the other was bought off the boards needing work, which I used as an excuse for modest upgrades. Each has its quirks-- (one has trouble holding the mid-cap mags) and I can't say they've been 100% reliable, but they haven't been any worse in that department than most of my other AEGs. Nice guns for the price.
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Post by LϟϟAH1944 on Oct 9, 2014 14:17:54 GMT -5
Mine were both horrendous, never worked since I got em. theyd work for like 20 minutes, then break again, and keep doing that all over.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Oct 9, 2014 17:17:19 GMT -5
Wow, interesting.
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Post by LϟϟAH1944 on Oct 9, 2014 17:41:20 GMT -5
But yeah, MP41s are useless for most impressions, unless youre doing Polizei.
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Post by volkssturm on Oct 9, 2014 18:14:35 GMT -5
Curious facts about the MP41. It was designed by Hugo Schmeisser who was the head designer at Haenel. Schmeisser had nothing to do with the MP40, which got tagged erroneously with the nickname "Schmeisser". The Erma company, which made the MP40, sued Haenel for copyright infringement because the MP41 was too close to the MP40 and forced them to shut down production, which is at least partly why they didn't see wider use. You have to wonder why the Wehrmacht didn't step in and tell Erma to stop screwing up the war effort.
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Post by insterburger on Oct 9, 2014 20:40:52 GMT -5
I had heard that as well. It is interesting that even in a totalitarian state that is on a war footing, copyright infringement laws still hold weight. My guess is that if the MP41 had been deemed necessary to the war effort, the Reichsministerium für Bewaffnung und Munition would have found a way to keep production open at Haenel, whether through paying a royalty to ERMA or who knows what other means were available to Todt and his cronies. Probably a combination of the corporate legal wrangling and other factors (which could have been myriad: production cost, sourcing of wood for the stocks vs. demand for stockwood from 98k manufacturers or other strategic industries, etc., etc., etc.) simply made the MP41 not worth the effort needed to iron things out. I'm sure the whole story is buried somewhere in the bowels of the Bundesarchiv.
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Post by Dracul on Oct 10, 2014 12:07:17 GMT -5
I think it would have to do more with the idea of respect. Even if there is no money involved, its generally wrong by any countries' standard to steal ideas and plans and such. Especially in a country like Germany, where engineering is highly regarded.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2014 23:27:11 GMT -5
lol dude! That is either the most masterful stroke of irony or your post seriously just bypassed a legion of war crimes to arrive at Germanys notable honor sticking point…………….proprietary idea rights ?
Im not busting your balls or trying to be political ,i just find it funny either way for entirely different reasons.
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Post by Dracul on Oct 11, 2014 7:31:21 GMT -5
Yeah, I just realized I probably worded that all wrong....
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2014 8:57:06 GMT -5
all good bro, lifes all about 'do overs'. Back to the mp 41 convo>
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Post by insterburger on Oct 11, 2014 9:44:26 GMT -5
That said, I think it's oversimplifying things to think that German industrialists could not also have a sense of pride to be wounded or feel they've been stolen from when someone uses their patent without paying a fee while simultaneously being less than honorable themselves. One could argue that "a legion of war crimes" is maybe overstating it a bit when it comes to German industry, but you could also argue that it's not. At the very least they were neck deep in using forced and/or slave labor or contracting with companies who did, which are legitimate war crimes. But remember that there were plenty of top Nazis-- leading perps of the Holocaust, war criminals without any doubt-- who were known to be men of learning and culture, versed in all the niceties of high society, but scumbags nonetheless. Ted Bundy, the serial killer, was known to be charming and gentlemanly, and more than one cop called him genuinely likable when engaged in conversation-- but again, a psychopath. And let's not forget that at various points in history our own troops have been guilty of some pretty horrendous stuff in the name of "spreading Democracy"-- a worthy cause, but served unworthily. Humanity's capacity for duality-- especially in the form of hypocrisy-- is almost beyond belief were it not so evident in so much of what we do. To think that a corporate big wig at ERMA could get incensed by someone stealing his ideas while he casually uproots people from their homes to work for him at subsistence wages or employs incarcerated Jews for literally less bread than it takes to keep them alive and have no regard for them at all is not only possible, it happened. Not what I'd call "funny," but certainly illustrative of the human condition.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2014 10:44:35 GMT -5
right……the staggering level of offenses you site were specifically the point I referenced…..the use of 'funny' was intended to be of the ironic variety.
Ill agree as someone that trades in intellectual property rights as a career that you originally raised an interesting point. How does a corporate entity in a totalitarian society not only get away with raising a property rights grievance with that government but also justify doing so while being fully complicate in a complete disregard for Human life/welfare rights scenario.
I'd say the answers painfully what its always been, MONEY is king and has an amazing ability to shape some very distorted positions on whats 'OK"
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Post by insterburger on Oct 11, 2014 11:11:58 GMT -5
I hear ya. I'd say money is a big part of it-- and I'm sure it came into play with ERMA/Haenel, just as it did with Mauser vs. the Springfield Armory over the m1903 rifle. I think more important is the fact that we humans tend to feel that living by a set of rules-- whether the rule of law or moral codes-- is essential to society, provided it's the other guy who has to follow them. When those codes get in the way of us doing exactly what we want and having things our way, we tend to use all kinds of justifications about how our situation is somehow different.
Wow, talking about the SRC MP-41 sure can take us into some weighty stuff!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2014 11:28:54 GMT -5
I kinda feel obligated to buy one now just to support this conversation.
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Post by insterburger on Oct 11, 2014 17:06:40 GMT -5
"The SRC MP-41 package includes the rifle, sling, one magazine, one packet of BBs, miscellaneous moral philosophy, battery and charger."
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2014 2:09:48 GMT -5
now thats indeed a jewel! LOL
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