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Post by hunterj on Dec 5, 2016 23:10:41 GMT -5
Hello,
I'm relatively new to the forum, i've been lurking for quite a while. I've started a ww2 airsoft group in NE Kansas and have around 190 members on our facebook page, with most being in the area. (link in the midwest events section of the forum).
However, with this there are a lot of german reenactors around who are asking about Kar98's. Besides the dboys shell ejecting and the gas pricier ones, i've been looking into kar98 methods and have seen that there are a ton of different ways to do it. My question is, throughout all the methods you guys have attempted/seen, which is the fastest, most effective (and relatively cheap) ways to convert airsoft guns to kar98's? I see a ton of different ways but was wondering if you guys had a favorite or good tutorial thread i can direct my guys to.
Thanks! -Hunter
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Post by adrg on Dec 6, 2016 9:12:00 GMT -5
Hi,
I would say this is custom work and each is doing with what he has available. Most frequently it is done by DBoys with a VSR-10 or L96 platform. Just go for an appearance of M24 or similar because the receiver is round and closer to K98. I used the SW 04 that I got cheap and has good metal trigger part. BAR-10 from JG might also be a solution if not overpriced.
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Post by hunterj on Dec 6, 2016 14:32:33 GMT -5
adrgSo the most common conversion is to take the DBoys stock and drop a vsr10 or something of that nature into it?
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Post by adrg on Dec 6, 2016 14:47:40 GMT -5
There is also the method of 3 parts stock- middle from the donor replica and front and back from the Dboys K98 or any other wood K98 stock. Personally I think this approach requires too much modeling which is far beyond my capabilities. See 2bat's many threads on this method.
If you are using real wood stock, be mindful it is thinner towards front than the Dboys one and magazine catch/housing might stick out.
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Post by hunterj on Dec 6, 2016 14:58:00 GMT -5
okay that's helpful, do you have some good links to guides where they use a dboys stock and marry a vsr to it?
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Post by Dracul on Dec 6, 2016 15:10:44 GMT -5
If you search around, you can find many threads on just that. Also, search for Hairy Apples 1903 (if forum seach doesn't work, google "Hairy Apples 1903 WW2AA") While based on the 1903, the very same method could be used for a Kar98.
Just something to think about, and from what I've noticed for awhile: for the price and time you are going to be putting in for a VSR-Kar98 conversion and the eventual VSR repairs/upgrades, you could get yourself a Redfire Kar98 (Evike sells it as a "matrix" brand). Its a great shooter and the co2 version will do good in all except the coldest of conditions.
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Post by hunterj on Dec 6, 2016 16:08:35 GMT -5
I'll look at the Springfield tutorial. I have seen several threads on the kar98 dboys conversion but they're kind of scattered and never a complete tutorial it seems so I was looking for a comprehensive guide if that makes sense. Also, Dracul is that also referred to as the PPS Kar98? Do you have a link for the matrix one?
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Post by Dracul on Dec 6, 2016 16:12:35 GMT -5
No, no real comprehensive guide for it, because in general, its not an overly complicated thing to do. And yes. Redfire/SHS/PPS are all the same. Evike's one here, its the same gun, just evike puts the matrix name on products on their website for whatever reason: www.evike.com/products/48951/
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Post by hennepin15 on Dec 6, 2016 16:25:21 GMT -5
Im very eager to answer this question! In one week I am going to make a bondo baby vz24. I have the bands, bayonet lug. I will keep everyone posted when I start my progress. It should be done in about 2-3 weeks. My sights will follow Jimmiroqui's G43 wip method and will he created with sintra board. I hope when I create my thread this will help you. I will put tons of pictures and details up in 2016 quality to save you guys the research.
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Post by volkssturm on Dec 6, 2016 20:22:48 GMT -5
I'm just finishing up a VSR-10 in a wood KAR98 stock (should have been finished months ago, but I'm lazy). The wood looks good, but what I don't like is the amount of time spent with the Dremel tool inletting it to take the VSR10. In that respect converting a plastic stock Dboy's is easier. The first one I did was a plastic stock with a M24 Snow Wolf and that has some advantages in that the Snow Wolf magazine fits in a box attached to the barrel and the catch is on the magazine. The VSR-10 is kind of finicky to get the magazine right.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Dec 7, 2016 12:08:37 GMT -5
Inletting the DBoys plastic stock is definitely easier than a wood stock. Easiest is to just use the forearm and extend the VSR stock length. As shown elsewhere the VSR butt stock can be convincingly reshaped. With the DBoys hardware (handguard, stock bands, recovered receiver group bits, sights and butt plate cup you can create a fairly convincing replica. With the VSR center stock section un-modified your VSR mag well and mag release remain functional without the need for precise alignment. Another approach which I have used is to cut out of the VSR plastic stock the magwell release section leaving it all intact and over fit the magwell area on the wood donor stock and bondo this assembly into place. With careful blending this becomes quite descrete. The Mauser trigger housing and magazine base is a nice visual touch but typically needs to have the forward screw mount removed to allow room for the VSR magazine. A number of other cuts and modifications need to be done to this assembly as well but the cuts on the DBoys parts are WAY WAY easier than they are on the actual parts!
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Post by hunterj on Dec 7, 2016 13:17:58 GMT -5
Thanks for the tips, these sound very helpful. @volkssturm do you have pictures of the mags and what you mean by that? It's hard to picture in my mind but it sounds very convenient.
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Post by volkssturm on Dec 7, 2016 15:52:27 GMT -5
Here's a pic of the M24 with the Dboys stock. (Photobucket is becoming almost useless. All the advertising makes slow as frozen pig poop).
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Post by 2nd Bat on Dec 7, 2016 16:07:51 GMT -5
That picture has to be very helpful for folks contemplating such a project as this. As you can see these two rifles provide virtually everything you need to create a decent Kar98 that looks passable and shoots great. Thanks Volks for navigating photo bucket and posting the picture.
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Post by hunterj on Dec 7, 2016 17:04:38 GMT -5
@volkssturm that picture makes a ton of sense! thank you!
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Post by 2nd Bat on Dec 7, 2016 18:38:30 GMT -5
If you visually imagine the airsoft rifle shifted forward so it's trigger aligns with where it needs to be relative to the DBoys stock you get a clear sense for where your mag well cuts will have to be and that the mounting screw and arm from the DBoys (Mauser) trigger housing and magazine will need to be cut for Bar10 with its longer magazine but perhaps not with the M24?
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Post by volkssturm on Dec 7, 2016 20:29:52 GMT -5
The M24 mag is a little shorter than the VSR and it doesn't get in the way of the trigger guard. You o have to cut back the Kar98 magazine box to make room for the M24 trigger housing, but it's pretty soft metal. You also have to widen the groove the trigger goes through, because the M25 trigger is wider than the Kar98.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Dec 9, 2016 0:50:29 GMT -5
I had forgotten the fact that the VSR trigger is fatter. I remember doing a Springfield where I used the original housing. The steel part were really hard to cut. I went through lots of dremel cutting wheels and if I remember right burned out my dremel. Over the past dozen years I've easily bought a half dozen dremels. They are such a fabulous and handy tool!
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Post by adrg on Dec 9, 2016 2:36:09 GMT -5
What I found nice about SW M24 donor is that the trigger guard can be actually transformed to fit a K98 stock. It just needs to be a little prolonged to cover the extra space. This is really handy if you are using a real stock so you won't need to pay extra for the trigger guard/ box magazine and to dremel your way. The rear part looks close enough even not perfect
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