2nd Bat
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Post by 2nd Bat on May 10, 2017 20:04:55 GMT -5
At a recent event a somewhat heated discussion during a rules and safety briefing regarding the gameplay "knife kills" rules. The sponsoring host had distributed the rule set before hand which went out with the registration packet. The briefing was simply meant to be a final reminder of the key points. Obviously quite a few people never bothered to read the rules. This event forbid any actual bladed knives to be removed from sheaths or scabbards outside the administrative site. Rubber or plastic knives could be wielded but only used in aw descrete "touch" to effect an elimination. A player with a scabbarded or sheathed knife or bayonet could use the hand or finger to effect an elimination. To do a knife kills a real or fake knife had to be on the person. In events where trusting action or hand to hand type combat might occur the Safety kill rule was to be in used. Inside 5 feet the first to say "safety kill" won. In a tie both players are eliminated. With a touched "knife kills" the player can whisper or declare quietly the "kill" and the victim couldn't cry out. With a safety kill the victim player could scream out simulating either gun fire or a loud knife fight.
Safety kills are designed to reduce painful, close in shots or physical encounters where injuries are likely. Knife kills facilitate stealth and surprise encounters especially in night games or in structures. Do others have close combat rules? Knife kills, restrictions or opinions on this.
The player getting all agitated and argumentative about refusing to honor what he considered dumb rules was eventually disenrolled and sent home which frankly should have been done to everyone announcing they hadn't bothered to read the rules.
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Dracul
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Post by Dracul on May 11, 2017 5:18:19 GMT -5
That guy just sounds like a run of the mill bad apple. I'm pretty sure everyone handles "knife kills" the same way. I actually never heard it any other way than "just being tapped with a rubber/plastic knife is a kill, no slashing or charging with it" and of course "no live steel."
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Post by 2nd Bat on May 11, 2017 18:56:07 GMT -5
Some events do not allow any bladed real knives while others have no requirement that the player have on his person any bladed weapon (real or fake) to tap a person out. Though not required in this event I have heard of close in safety kills requiring that the muzzle be on target before declaring a safety kill and I like that rule as I have was once safety killed by someone I was creeping up on who although prone with his back to me and aimed completely away from me heard me, knew I was super close and shouted "safety kill". By rule I was out which of course I honored. Had the muzzle requirement been in effect I would have safety killed him when he reacted to my presence. Far more realistic gameplay in my opinion. Incidentally I don't like 20 foot rules as most people can't judge 10 feet, let alone 20 and within 20 feet most people can hit a body part not likely to hurt much!
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Post by hardslack on May 11, 2017 20:39:53 GMT -5
Safety kills or the "bang bang" rule drive me NUTS! I can't stand it. I mean, it's straight from playground cops and robbers. Of course, whoever holds the event makes the rule, so when it's there, fine. And in a situation with a bunch of players I dont know and dont trust, its kind of nice to be fairly confident no one will light you up, closer than 5 feet anyway...
In my experience, even the those with impeccable sportsmanship are severely challenged, and more often tempers will flare at a safety kill. If the person killed is a good player, they take it honorably of course, but it is so non-immersive, aggravating and cheesy. In my opinion, they are always cheesy. Either you have the person in your sights and unaware and thus could shoot a foot, leg, piece of gear, or you are both totally aware of the other and should do battle with suitably low powered weapons or back it up a bit. The group where I used to live did away with it. We had minimum engagement distances, and if your weapon shot under 350, 0 foot MED. People either had a sub 350 main gun, or (more common) carried a sidearm. Or players could "parlay" and disengage from each other. Also non-immersive, but at least you don't feel cheated. I also found parley encouraged players to laugh a little and say hey, we are too close, lets back up, rather than shout about who shot first. Which contributed to a positive vibe overall. Something I have liked, many regional events/teams in utah follow pretty similar rules and use a sub 350 med to incentivise that level of FPS. I appreciate that it really stifles the arms race that can be common in airsoft. It's annoying to some because 400 seems to be more common nationally, it also can be hard to buy a nice airsoft gun shooting that low. In games were it is in effect, I just try to avoid situations it would be likely. It's so not a part of my play experience that I never think to use it.
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Post by 2nd Bat on May 12, 2017 15:30:50 GMT -5
Bang bang kills generally suck and I agree with you. Especially when playing with unfamiliar folks. We offfer them as a courtesy. If you absolutely have the drop on them (as a courtesy) you can use bang bang to effect an elimination. The targeted player has the option to "die" or ignore it at their peril. 99% of the time they honor it. Because you know it's optional players invariably ONLY use it when it's absolutely clear that their opponent has little doubt they would be instantly hosed if they didn't. This approach has eliminated completely the abuse of the rule. As much as I didn't like bang bang prior to our variation I really don't like parlay rules although in fairness they seldom come up.
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