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Post by 2nd Bat on Oct 26, 2006 13:46:44 GMT -5
With all the quality low end bolt action rifles now available that are under $150.00 and shoot both powerfully and reliably I decided to start a new project. I bought all the wood and hardware for a Springfield 03 and am going to see if I can marry the two. I know only too well that these things always seems easier then they actually are but motivated by AA Dans home made Kar 98, Schmittys magic and my own experiences with my AEG Garand conversion I've committed the dough and time.
Someone once said "Guys who post what they are going to do are generally strong indicators of things that will never get done. " This individual only posts his efforts after they are finished. I on the otherhand need public announcements to force me to overcome the obstacles which I know will be many.
Once I get the actual stocks and hardware I'll research which base gun will be the best candidate for conversion. I know the gun won't be perfect but I will strive for as close an approximation as I am capable of.
I'll keep this board posted on my progress or lack there of much as I did when I struggled through the Garand conversion. Perhaps a year or two from now I'll have this project completed. maybe I'll get lucky and the project will be more straightforward then I fear.
Actual finger grooved stocks and upper handguards for Springfields are spendy! The appropriate hardware even more so. This will not be a cheap project. Real Kar 98 hardware is cheap in comparison. At least in the case of the Turkish configurations.
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Post by TommyGunner on Oct 26, 2006 14:22:02 GMT -5
If you are able to produce a Sprigfield with the level of quality you did with your garands I shure hope that you decide to make some to sell. As an early Marine I can tell you a sprigfield would be a very welcome addition to my arsenal. Im kinda sick of usieng the Thompson actually thats why I bought a VSR 11 rilfe, but I would really like to replace it with an 03.
You have my full support, and good luck.
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Post by 101steasykid on Oct 26, 2006 16:06:05 GMT -5
yeah, the springfeild would be nice, so i can switch from a m1 to it without spending money on a new belt
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Post by rbx6jm7man on Oct 26, 2006 16:17:41 GMT -5
it would go exceppent with bataan reenactors too. best of luck on your project!
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Post by 2nd Bat on Oct 26, 2006 17:23:21 GMT -5
Or Guadalcanal since the Garand wasn't in the hands of any US troops until a small contingent of US Army troops arrived with them late in the battle. Incidently how do you like your VSR -11? That was one of the guns I was considering as a base. (assuming the dimensions work or are reasonably close.) I'd kinda like to stay away from gas if possible. The VSR 10/ VSR-11 is a gas gun isn't it? If so does the gas go in the gun or the detachable magazine?
This 03 project is all just part of my obsession with wanting to see more authentic looking and varied weapons on our WW2 battlefields. What are some of the other quality bolt action rifles that could be used as the base. Obviously don't recommend the Tanaka Kar 98 cause that's a great gun unalterred and it's way more then I want to spend on the base rifle. Please don't suggest the super 9 cause I'm looking for a reliable good shooting quality rifle for the base.
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Post by Nungesser on Oct 26, 2006 20:20:08 GMT -5
I'd love to see a Mosin-Nagant.
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Post by 29ththerealpimps on Oct 26, 2006 20:38:02 GMT -5
I think the springfield is a great idea Are you planning on getting your son to make these like your aeg m1 garand?
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Post by Russian on Oct 26, 2006 20:51:39 GMT -5
My friend has a UTG M324. It would be very suitable as a base gun. Reliable, and actually, a pretty powerful shooter. It cut a full sprite can in half, vertically, in one shot. I was pretty impressed, for a spring gun.
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Post by Reece on Oct 26, 2006 22:21:22 GMT -5
The Vsr-10 is a spring rifle. I have a Vsr and one of those resin 1903 stocks and the receiver is pretty much a perfect fit. You would have to Dremel out some space for the trigger assembly and other stuff but the dimensions are pretty close. I think a Vsr would be a great base rifle for your 03' . If you need me to get measurements I'll try to get 'em for you.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Oct 27, 2006 0:35:34 GMT -5
I thought the VSR-10 from marui was a spring rifle and yet the VSR-11 from HFC that's supposed to be a marui knock off and uses the same magazines is apparently a gas gun. I'm confused?
Who makes a resin Sprinfield? I have a set of the wood and all the springfield hardware coming now so I'll be able to get precise measurements shortly. (I hope) A straight but powerful spring bolt action rifle as the base appeals to me very much.
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Post by schmitty on Oct 27, 2006 10:20:13 GMT -5
The HFC USR-11 Is definetly a spring gun copy of the Marui VSR-10. They are $109.99 at Airsoft Atlanta. This is a great idea for a conversion project. It would be nice to see more bolt action spring rifles on the battlefield.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Oct 27, 2006 10:37:45 GMT -5
I Confirmed that the web site I was on that listed the VSR-11 had bad information. Pyramid Airsoft (NOT UNUSUAL) I thought the HFC USR-11 was a spring gun. I've heard they are quite good for the money. I'll find out as I have one ordered. Even if it doesn't work as a base weapon for the Springfield it'll be okay to have.
The magazine is interchangeable with the Marui magazine.
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Post by TommyGunner on Oct 27, 2006 19:09:33 GMT -5
My VSR-11 is a fantastic gun, I bought the spring version and for the price it would make an excelent base gun. However one reason the gun is nice and cheap is because, stock, the gun is not a sniper rifle and has a range about equal to the Tokyo Marui Thompson and has an fps chronoed at 295. For the gun to truly be a rifle you will have to buy an upgraded spring. But this is still less expensive than buying a full blown sniper rifle, much less a gas one. The gun is also very easy to disasemble.
The gun also has a very well built and sturdy bolt, the magazines cary and fairly lage number of rounds for a rifle (30rnds) which I am very happy with because I only have one mag and it really does last quite a while.
Oh and it is actually quite loud compared to the VSR-10, when fired it gives a very satisfying thick thud.
In short I think it would be a good investment to use the VSR-11 and before putting it inot the sprigfield body upgrade the spring and the already great performance will be doubled.
TommyGunner
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Post by schmitty on Oct 27, 2006 19:19:59 GMT -5
Thanks for your input Tommy Gunner but now you have me confused Is what you have called a USR-11 or VSR-11 you say you bought the spring version. Is there a gas version?
I believe the reason yours is loud compared to a VSR-10 is probably because all the USR-11's are copies of the real-shock version of the VSR-10, and you probably compared it to a non real shock VSR-10. The TM VSR-10 comes in both regular and real shock versions which have weights added to the piston to give a bit more kick and a louder pop.
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Post by TommyGunner on Oct 28, 2006 14:30:29 GMT -5
Okay it says here on the box that the company that makes the gun is called Lux Air and the model number it is given is the Ha-231/ VSR-11.
I dont know of a gas version of this gun, but I thought I heard there was one.
I also dont doubt that this is a copy of the TM VSR-10, seems to me like it would be, but I must say Its quite a good one. Most copies I have seen of guns are really bad and do not peform as well as the originals, this one lives up to the TM standards.
Off Topic but thought it would be good to know. (BTW I think someone made a copy of the TM Thompson, I saw it at the I-hobby show and it was an AEG but was not made by TM, I didnt see who made it though, and it was only about $200, but it was simply painted black and had no parkarized metal, infact I think its all plastic.)
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Post by schmitty on Oct 28, 2006 20:45:36 GMT -5
Thanks TG for clearing that up. All those Asian companies sure make it confusing to figure out what is what. So I guess there are two TM VSR-10 clones the Lux Air VSR-11 and the HFC USR-11. Either one will hopefully make a good donor for a custom WWII rifle project.
Schmitty
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Post by 2nd Bat on Oct 29, 2006 14:57:42 GMT -5
I like the notion of a louder report (for the sake of realism) and hope the one I've got coming is the louder variety. Mine enroute is the HFC USR-11. It truly does get confusing keeping track of all these new products that are available.
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Post by savoy6 on Oct 29, 2006 19:41:54 GMT -5
Captain from southeast airsoft built a APS2/Springfield conversion several years ago.looked pretty good too..though i think the wealth of $100-$150 bolt actions out there now will make doing these sort of conversions much more convenient.personally,i'd like to see someone out there make a SMLE Mk1 or Mk4....
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Post by 2nd Bat on Oct 29, 2006 21:52:55 GMT -5
Perhaps the APS 2 knock off is one to consider as a base gun. That's a gas gun is it not? Isn't that what AADan used as the basis for his KAR 98?
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Post by davejh on Oct 30, 2006 2:04:42 GMT -5
The APS 2 is a spring gun, it's what Shoot n' Scoot build their Lee Enfields around.
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Post by CharleyNovember on Oct 30, 2006 6:58:04 GMT -5
You can convert it to a gas bolt system I believe I have never looked into it as I don't really like gas....neither does my wife sorry....
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Post by baconandeggs on Oct 30, 2006 10:30:25 GMT -5
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Post by 2nd Bat on Oct 30, 2006 12:14:13 GMT -5
looks nice. What are the particulars regarding the internal hardware KJ-700? Power source (upgrades, performance, mag capacity and extras with the gun?) It appears to have been set up as a sniper rifle as there is no front site assembly (an easy fix) The final question of course is what's his asking price?
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Post by rbx6jm7man on Oct 30, 2006 17:03:15 GMT -5
it's gas. very similar to the internals of a tanaka, i believe
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Post by 2nd Bat on Oct 30, 2006 17:16:24 GMT -5
Too bad, I'm not a fan of gas guns although the fact that a gas gun can cycle more readily then a heavy upgraded spring only gun. I hesitate to ask what he wants for this custom Springfield but sure folks will want to know as do I.
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Post by baconandeggs on Oct 30, 2006 18:24:09 GMT -5
He was asking $450 for it (October 5th), but it may have already sold. I'll PM you with what I have regarding it.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Oct 30, 2006 19:56:43 GMT -5
There's no way a guy can build one for that so if it's a functional, reliable gun that's a steal.
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Post by CharleyNovember on Oct 30, 2006 20:14:57 GMT -5
It is functional I have seen it work with my own eyes.
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Post by Russianboy on Oct 30, 2006 20:42:45 GMT -5
You can convert it to a gas bolt system I believe I have never looked into it as I don't really like gas....neither does my wife sorry.... After seeing what chuck and Jim said after you wanted to eat mexican dude. I would bet, ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D I've seen the custom one made from a KJW m700. Very nice. He did a good job with it. I got to shoot it some, its ok. If you want to make it real good make it from a tanaka M700 and upgrade it some. It will own!!!!
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Post by 2nd Bat on Oct 30, 2006 22:32:25 GMT -5
Dan do you have contact info for the guy? I'd am interested in it if it's still available. I have parts coming or here to make one but it would hurt to have two!
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