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May 3, 2006 18:16:37 GMT -5
Post by rosedude8 on May 3, 2006 18:16:37 GMT -5
So, I was looking through my dads old movies and found this... I remember watching it when I was younger but decided to take a look at it. Its a pretty good movie, I liked it anyway, pretty much its about the Americans taking over a Uboat to try and get encoding materials that the germans were using. ( I haven't finished it so I can't remember it all) But I searched the threads and no one has poste this movie... Anyone else seen it?
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May 3, 2006 18:23:48 GMT -5
Post by spitfire740 on May 3, 2006 18:23:48 GMT -5
yeah, it's a good movie, pretty innacurate though. It was a fictional movie based off of a british sub crew that took over a german U-boat to get the decoder. In real life it was NOT the Americans. But it was still a good movie.
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May 3, 2006 18:42:21 GMT -5
Post by 2nd Bat on May 3, 2006 18:42:21 GMT -5
The Americans in fact did capture a german U Boat intact during the war but the story line doesn't follow that situation exactly. The sub by the way is on display at the Chicago Museum of History and Industry and has recenetly been restored. A destroyer attacked it and damaged it enough that the crew abondoned it. The US boarded prior to the scuttling charges going off. Amazingly they had color film of the attack and capture and I've seen the whole thing on the history channel. The actual capture had to be kept uber secret because of the code machine on board so the crew was interned in the US with no release of their survival to their relatives until after the war. The sub was sailed way inland to prevent German recon from seeing it. Hence it ended up in Chicago!
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May 3, 2006 18:57:11 GMT -5
Post by spitfire740 on May 3, 2006 18:57:11 GMT -5
the U-505?! I never knew that, I was in line to board the sub at the museum, but the line was too long so we just left. I never knew it was about that sub! Next stop...Chicago!
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May 3, 2006 19:18:01 GMT -5
Post by aircarb on May 3, 2006 19:18:01 GMT -5
Ha.. yeah i guess they captured it off of Africa right before OverLord
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May 3, 2006 19:39:37 GMT -5
Post by Russian on May 3, 2006 19:39:37 GMT -5
I saw it right after the restoration. A fantastic piece of history! A must see for everyone. Only one man died in the taking of the sub, a German who was left onboard to release the flood gates, if the Americans should get on. He failed to release the gates with enough tiem to flood out the entire sub, though.
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May 3, 2006 20:03:05 GMT -5
Post by howitzer on May 3, 2006 20:03:05 GMT -5
I liked U-571 but Das Boot was way better.
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May 4, 2006 7:00:42 GMT -5
Post by 5thrangerinfantry on May 4, 2006 7:00:42 GMT -5
I been on the U-505. If you get the chance go see it - you wont be sorry.....
If I remember right, though, by the time the americans got a hold of a decoder machine thingy, didnt the british already have one?
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May 4, 2006 14:12:54 GMT -5
Post by 2nd Bat on May 4, 2006 14:12:54 GMT -5
That is correct but the additional machine was certainly helpful and there was no way the Allies wanted the Germans to know we had ANY of them (let alone two!)
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May 4, 2006 21:54:05 GMT -5
Post by 160thsoar on May 4, 2006 21:54:05 GMT -5
r u talking about the U-571 made a few years ago? bc that was great...Anyway i live on the Outer Banks of North Carolina AKA "The Graveyard Of The Atlantic" and there are an enormiss amount of ship wrecks quite a few from WW2. My dad used to be a commercial diver and dove on the german u boat the U-85. He brought back a few flares and a brass piece of the moter with the swastica printed on the side. its pretty cool. just thought i would say that. also a couple of USCG cutters sank a few miles off the coast in a storm trying to save a ship that got hit by a u-boat. The investigation of that was recently on The History channel show Deep Sea Detectives. If you catch that episode you will see where i live and how much history i got where i live. Damn i forgot another the Outer Banks was also on Digging for the Truth when they where looking for what happened to the Lost Colony.
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Jun 25, 2006 18:39:31 GMT -5
Post by YankeeDiv26 on Jun 25, 2006 18:39:31 GMT -5
wow thats really cool, i've seen both of those shows and they were quite intriguing. Thats really interesting how you live so close to that
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Jun 25, 2006 19:36:58 GMT -5
Post by 160thsoar on Jun 25, 2006 19:36:58 GMT -5
you can actually see a few wrecks sticking out of the water. A few of my dads friends just found another german u-boat off the coast a few months ago. Also to anyone who is taking a vacation down to the outer banks they just opended a Graveyard of the Atlantic musem on Hatteras Island. It has alot of artifacts including a german inigma machine.
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Jun 26, 2006 21:29:56 GMT -5
Post by phantom12321 on Jun 26, 2006 21:29:56 GMT -5
I actually followed the History of the U-505 quite closely ever since I went and saw it rusting out in the snow at the MSI when I was like 8. The sub was surrounded and damaged by air straffing and finally a shot from a destroyer which jammed up the rudder so it could only go in circles and took on some water. The crew quickly removed the scuttle drain cover and jumped overboard. However, they didn't set the 14 sets of C-2 explosives to destroy the ship, and they left the cover right next to the drain. So when the boys 8 or 9 guys went aboard they simply put the cover back on and it stopped flooding. However, by then it had taken on quite a bit of water, and that's why all the pictures of it show it hanging funny in the water. It was towed back to Bermuda and the crew was kept there for awhile and sworn to secrecy. This was because, as soon as the sub was reported to be captured by a spy or through process of elimination, the Germans would change all the codes and render the documents and Enigma machines useless. I've played around with a virtual mock up of an Enigma machine, all you have to do is flip a switch or two and the whole thing changes, so they had to be careful. The ship was later layed up in a ship yard in New England and sat there, rusting, and waiting to be used as a practice target for naval crews in training, until Captain Gallery, the man who captured the u-boat, made efforts to have the U-505 saved. Fortunately, he was a wealthy individual and had a good friend who was the head curator at the MSI in Chicago. They towed the boat up through the great lakes and it had to go through the locks at Sault Ste. Marie under it's own power. Then, the most dangerous part of the vessels life ensued upon it's arrival in Chicago. It had to be lifted out of the water in its aged condition and cross 2 1/2 blocks and Lakeshore Drive to reach the Museum. It did, and major restoration work was undertaken. As years progressed, interest in the U-boat receded and with it, the interest and financial backing of restoration workers (all volunteers). The U-boat was one of the MSI's attractions but definitely not it's star. The vessel began to deterorate again. It remained in a state of minimal repairs for about 3 decades, this is the way I remember it as a little kid. Finally, a project was set underway to figure out how to protect the aging ship from Chicago's harsh weather. Everything from a giant glass dome to putting it in the water, to burying it halfway on the front lawn to make it look like it was prowling lakeshore drive was considered. Finally a large concrete "bunker" was decided upon. The new wing was constructed nearly entirely below ground. The sub was moved another final time. It was rolled all the way around the building (about 3 blocks) now more than sixty years old. It stopped, suspended over the hole that would be it's new home, and rested on four pillars of wood which looked like they were made by the company that makes the game "Jenga." To lower it, they simply removed the 5"x5" pieces of wood and it lowered into the whole. This process took about 2 weeks. Finally it rested at the bottom, rougly 4 feet off the ground in a new support. Now audiences from all over the world walk through a short wing of the museum filled with facts about the wolf pack tactics of the U-boats, the propaganda on both sides of the Atlantic and a 3D multimedia set of screens describing the events of the day the ship was captured. Finally the hallway opens up into the grand, room of steel and concrete. At first glance you are looking down the nose, almost at the same height as if you were on deck. The exhibit continues with artifacts and more history as it curves down and around the ship. The concrete sets up a real feel of a subport. It is an amazing exhibit. ** (on topic ) They movie U-571, is a summary. It's kind of the Forrest Gump of submarine movies in the sense that it has one submarine crew experiencing the bulk of many historical instinces when in reality they happened with like 12 different vessels at different times. Still, it possess a lot of entertainment value. The new site for the U-505 is awe inspiring. I recommend that anyone near Chicago who hasn't visited it, and anyone planning to make a trip to Chicago
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