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Post by KRaddatz on Aug 14, 2007 13:20:46 GMT -5
So yesterday i received my AGM M14 its really nice, but also yesterday i received my real M1 stock hardware and gas cylinder. today i took the m14 out of its original plastic stock and compared it to my real one, has anyone already modded a real stock to fit the aeg parts? im thinking i will have to widen and lengthen the mag area and hollow out the butt and handle. any help would be appreciated.
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Post by valtteri on Aug 15, 2007 12:02:19 GMT -5
I have one done but did not do it myself. You need good skills and equipment - the wood is really, really hard, and you'll have to make it real thin to make space for the motor. Getting a large battery fitted will be real hard, a custom battery is an easier choice.
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Post by KRaddatz on Aug 15, 2007 12:41:23 GMT -5
thats what i plan to do to fit the parts in, but i need help on what tools i should use and whatnot, and advice would be greatly appreciated ~Kyle
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Post by TommyGunner on Aug 15, 2007 22:49:32 GMT -5
A dremmel will be your best friend here.
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Post by Dog on Aug 16, 2007 0:59:27 GMT -5
This could be a sacrilege, but...
Could you just split it lengthwise in two parts with a saw? Then you can carve the space for battery and machinery much easier. You could also add a thin middle layer of similar wood and clue the whole thing together. This new layer would make it little too wide, but also the sides would be thicker and stronger.
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Post by KRaddatz on Aug 16, 2007 1:06:22 GMT -5
i was thinking that but it would be a lot less durable after that
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Post by Dog on Aug 16, 2007 10:13:45 GMT -5
No it wouldn't - if you do it well and use good wood glue. If the surfaces are straight and even there won't be any visible seams either.
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Post by YankeeDiv26 on Aug 16, 2007 12:30:09 GMT -5
wow i didnt think of it as possible, I've done a lot of modification to my agm m14 stock along with what second bat's done and just thought of a real garand stock as out of the question. Anyone have plans on selling stocks to go with their custom garands?
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Post by KRaddatz on Aug 16, 2007 13:04:06 GMT -5
well it has to be done first lol but possibly if i can get it right ill tell all how to do it
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Post by mg42 on Aug 16, 2007 18:33:53 GMT -5
Since I was planning on getting a GI IMP together i was thinking about doing this myself... If you hollow anything out on the original M1 stock I personally would put Fiberglass Matting to reenforce the new weaker points...
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Post by 2nd Bat on Aug 21, 2007 14:53:24 GMT -5
Carefully consider all the dimensions (Height and width) before doing anything. I found the height of the Garand stock from receiver group to trigger housing was different enough to present additional challenges I originally hadn't considered. Also some Garand stocks are thinner then others through the neck. Hollowing the stock out large enough to contain the battery was quite easy compared to the other challenges like the neck area for the motor and the trigger housing so it would align with the gear box effectively. Very very time consuming stuff and precision work that.
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Post by KRaddatz on Aug 21, 2007 20:40:23 GMT -5
yeah once i get a dremel tool i hope to start some work on it
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Post by YankeeDiv26 on Aug 21, 2007 20:45:31 GMT -5
oh, I thought for some reason it had been done already. The dremel tool's possibly my favorite tool ever, both for airsoft purposes or any other precision job (Used it even more than the skill saw when I finished the basement). lol, Idk how I'd do anything without it.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Sept 3, 2007 23:34:21 GMT -5
I've heard two forum members state that they did a Garand using an actual Garand stock but neither was forthcoming with any photographs which frankly makes me wonder. I'd love to see someone do it especially if they were willing to then CnC their work for use on other conversions. It'd be awesome to have the added authenticity of the Garand thicker depth provided it was functional and something that could be replicated.
I ruined two actual stocks trying it and burned out a dremel so for now I've hung it up as a bad idea. I finally got one as close to finished as I could and the trigger and other components wouldn't align properly. They ended up looking really off.
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Post by KRaddatz on Sept 4, 2007 16:32:38 GMT -5
hmm, well me and cary will have to work on it some time hopefully this weekend i still have to talk with him, it would be awesome to get it to fit
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Post by 2nd Bat on Sept 9, 2007 23:22:23 GMT -5
Yes it would, provided it come out looking right. If you manage it God love you. Please share photos of your success. I failed miserably in the effort but that certainly doesn't mean it isn't doable by any stretch.
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Post by KRaddatz on Sept 10, 2007 7:16:02 GMT -5
anything i should look out for ?
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Post by fadedcorona on Sept 10, 2007 12:38:33 GMT -5
ohh you guys have compelled me to try, once I get stuff sold I may also attempt this, IF(big if) I succeed I might hvae a new favorite gun. ha ha. But the question is this:
Are the barrels the same length on the M14 and the Garand? As in, if I get a stock to fit(or if I modify the M14 stock) and when I attach the gas tube, will the rings fit over the M14 barrel tightly, loose or anything? and will it come out to the proper length? thanks
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Post by YankeeDiv26 on Sept 10, 2007 13:43:47 GMT -5
I dont think they're the exact same length, mine fits the gas tube very well but I think the fore-stock was moved slightly back to make it fit. If you're doing a m14-m1 conversion, barrel length modification should be one of the smallest of your worries.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Sept 10, 2007 14:35:54 GMT -5
The gas tube assembly on the M-14 (replica) is fatter then it was on the Garand so the harware and thickness of the stock in that area needs to be modified to account for it. (True also of the upper (also sometimes erroneously called the front handguard) The ferrule that included the front sling swivel is too narrow in it's unmodified form. The depth where the trigger assembly links up is not the same. (The Garand is thicker through this area) The M-14 barrel is virtually the same length (off an inch and a half or so) Shortening it actually helps the visual impact of the narrower M-14 lower stock when that is used. The Garand gas reservoir assembly has to be tweaked and filed a bit to accomodate the M-14 replica barrel. It is considerably harder then it appears at initial glance.
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Post by fadedcorona on Sept 10, 2007 16:10:49 GMT -5
yeah, I can understand that. Thanks though for the warning. Before I actually do any of this i am going over info and so on. Yeah what worries me the most is the whole trigger area. Though I have figured that an AGM M14 isn't that expensive, all the hardware will have a price but not horrible. Yes I have possibly a few hundred to loose but it could also end up pretty sweet in the end.... and if I fail I bet I can sell the parts to someone else who'd want to salvage my attempt. I am fairly confident that I will be able to do such a project. Also with the help of my mechanical engineer roommate with metal shop access and the help of a carpenter I know I think I might be able to pull it off.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Sept 10, 2007 20:03:32 GMT -5
With those as resources you should do just fine. I'll look for pictures from you in a year and half or so. Please surprise me and get it done much sooner!
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Post by fadedcorona on Sept 11, 2007 12:37:43 GMT -5
if I get my stuff sold I hope to get the stuff in a month or so and I hope to get it completed in a timely manner. I won't be able to work on it every day but yeah. Lets see if it's possible... though I am not made of money that's the biggest factor.... if I get my stuff sold... though lastly. the AGM M14 hava a rail on them... is it easy to remove? because if it's a POS gun I mihgt wait longer and just get a TM or wait for someone to sell their TM or GnG
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Post by KRaddatz on Sept 11, 2007 15:21:08 GMT -5
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Post by 2nd Bat on Sept 11, 2007 19:11:46 GMT -5
Dinged up stocks should be fine for what you want to do. (Actually in my opinion better) but you want to avoid any with cracks or major blemishes. His prices on web slings was awesome. Too bad he doesn't have any.
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Post by KRaddatz on Sept 11, 2007 19:42:20 GMT -5
yeah, the one i got has no cracks just a few dings and it was $15
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Post by fadedcorona on Sept 15, 2007 12:54:55 GMT -5
Yeah dinged up stocks are great, though I have a question, do you know a better place than e-bay to get all of the necessary remaining wood and metal parts? All of the "Metal Kits" I can find on ebay are still missing the ferrule that's at the front of the hand gaurd (or what ever you call it, the foremost wood piece that wraps around the barrel) though that part can be bought separately but I was just wondering. Also any suggested place where I can get the other 2 wood pieces? I am fine with shelling out cash because it may very well end up being worth it but I am just looking for advice. Any help would be appreciated.
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Post by KRaddatz on Sept 16, 2007 15:15:11 GMT -5
he sells the metal kits too, just not the handguards, even gas cylinders and front sight
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Post by fadedcorona on Sept 26, 2007 2:18:08 GMT -5
sweet! thanks. also, I have the stock but no M14. My question is this, "is it possible to start hollowing out my stock though i don't have an M14?" For the most part I am referring to the grip where the motor would be. does my question make any sense? Also I might end up making it use a small battery. I don't have a large one on me but it appears that it wouldn't be too much extra work making it use a small battery.
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Post by KRaddatz on Sept 26, 2007 7:56:19 GMT -5
well i would advise get the m14 first it helps alot when you have it and know what you need to cut, as for the grip im just going to try and hollow that out at much as possible so it will fit.
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