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Post by krumlauf83 on Mar 19, 2008 14:57:46 GMT -5
Hello, I was just wondering if anyone have ever tried to make a Marui M14 assembly fit a a RS Garand stock? I guess the main problem would be the weakening of the grip because of the engine but has anyone ever measuered or tried it? I know there are a couple of convertion kits out there but I would like my Garand to look close to 100% correct and those kits just won`t cut if for me. If nessesary I may make my own Garand stock from scratch
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Post by YankeeDiv26 on Mar 19, 2008 15:51:11 GMT -5
There are a few threads on this topic, I suggest looking at them. I beleive 2nd bat tried it very early on and it's by all means a tough cookie that would require some serious modification.
2nd bat will release a new model of conversions that features an all new lower stock that closer replicates the dimensions of that of an m1. I suggest just waiting it out to see the pictures in the upcoming days. It could save you a major headache.
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Post by krumlauf83 on Mar 19, 2008 16:26:39 GMT -5
Thanks for the tips, pictures of RS stock convertions would be great
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Post by 2nd Bat on Mar 21, 2008 1:45:53 GMT -5
See 2nd Bats 2nd version thread although at the time of this writing it shows my original plug lower stock and an early not quite finished version with a great side by side comparison between the M14 stock and my new stock shape. The actual Garand dimensions simply do not provide you with enough neck size to accomodate the motor and the depth where the trigger housing has to match up doesn't work out. I had to build a close approximation from scratch and am having them made in volume now.
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Post by krumlauf83 on Mar 21, 2008 12:30:17 GMT -5
Ok, so a real steel stock is not convertible then, but is the M14 reciever shorter than the M1 Garand? Since the M14 is 7,62x51mm and Garand is 30-06 and has a longer cartridge. You mention making new stocks in volume, what kind of wood will you be using and are you planning on selling these?
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Post by 2nd Bat on Mar 21, 2008 18:43:14 GMT -5
The wood will be Walnut (made in the US) and I will sell them to past customers who bought my versions ones and want to enhance the initial effort and of course will build them into my version two deluxe complete guns.
The Garand receiver group is larger then the M14. Overall length of a Garand receiver is 4.5mm longer (3/4s of the width of an airsoft BB) It is also 1mm wider. I frankly hadn't noticed until you mentioned it.
The real steel stock may in fact be convertible. After months and months of careful effort, I ruined one and was terribly disappointed with the end result of the other. That is not to say someone couldn't make it work. I even tried using a thicker necked Greek stock but to no avail.
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Post by ukkolziasd on Mar 21, 2008 19:07:56 GMT -5
Valtteri has an AEG Garand with a real deal stock. It didn't hold up too well near the grip and cracked in several places, as the motor didn't leave much room there, thus the wood is very thin. Right now it's glued up pretty good, but in time will definitely crack again.
A stock specifically made for an airsoft gun would be the best way to go here.
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Post by krumlauf83 on Mar 21, 2008 20:05:48 GMT -5
Thanks guys, this information is much appreciated! One thing I have noticed with the M14 motor "cage" is that it looks like its thicker than it has to be on both sides, could perhaps a little griding would help with the tight fit of a RS stock?
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Post by raptor65 on Mar 21, 2008 20:32:29 GMT -5
I've been thinking that your best bet would be to just use epoxy or bondo to thicken the M14 forestock, then sand and repaint. I'll be trying that with mine when I get around to it. Here is a side by side comparison of the M14 lined up on top of a real M1 Garand:
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Post by YankeeDiv26 on Mar 21, 2008 20:54:59 GMT -5
I'll be stripping, cleaning, assembling, and firing m1's all day tommorow. I'll try to snag a few dimensions of the inner grip for you.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Mar 21, 2008 21:10:48 GMT -5
That's a great comparison shot that does a great job of emphasizing the differences. Converting an existing stock is a frustrating and difficult task as was making my initial plug for the new version. (Six months with a lot of dremel work and careful fitting followed by what has now been three trips to the set up firm.)
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Post by raptor65 on Mar 21, 2008 22:19:51 GMT -5
Yeah, I really wouldn't think that using the M14 stock would be too hard, after you add material to the forestock like in my picture, there are really only a few small details that should be a piece of cake to do after adding so much bulk to the forestock. It would increase the weight by a significant amount I'd think (Not a bad thing if you want a realistic Garand considering how heavy the real thing is). You may want to add some extra weight to the shoulder stock because once you add the upper and front handguard, plus the gas cylinder it may become fairly front heavy. Speaking of, I found a great source of cheap Garand parts you guys may want to take a look at if you haven't heard of them before: www.northridgeinc.com/m1_garand.htmThey have a complete $50 package of the upper and front handguards (Birch only it seems) with metal, plus a complete gas cylinder (Front sight and all) for $30.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Mar 22, 2008 1:24:51 GMT -5
Their gas reservoir assemblies have been sold out for about 18 months now. Unless they have somehow located some more. I used to get parts from them but they now seem always to be out of stock. They were a great resource at one time and perhaps are again.
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Post by Seff on Mar 24, 2008 5:42:32 GMT -5
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Post by raptor65 on Mar 24, 2008 7:23:35 GMT -5
Yeah, Sarco is a good supplier. Like Northridge they don't keep their in-stock parts page up to date very well (Can't blame either of them though, that's a lot to have to keep updated).
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Post by 2nd Bat on Mar 24, 2008 12:53:14 GMT -5
I have done several M14 stocks with bondo added to create the bulk and shape to more closely replicate a Garand. Indeed it's how I did my plug for the wood stock. It is time consuming but not especially difficult. I do recommend if you take on the project you drill numerous holes in the stock and place set screws in, that protrude out of the stock, forming the approximate shape you desire. (Especially in the build up around the mag well and immediately in front of the mag well) These screws will provide strength and adhesion for your bondo so it will remain in place and durable enough for skirmish play.
The bondo and screws will add to the weight of the rifle (A good thing in my opinion) and will wind up being a rock solid stock that will feel amazingly robust. The bondo can be treated with a rat tail file and course sand paper so a very wood like finish can be applied. For someone seeking greater authenticity while keeping costs low it's a great alternative.
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Post by biguk on Sept 2, 2008 17:43:26 GMT -5
Hey Guys,
I've just come into possesion of a complete RS M1 garand Stock. Im wanting to squeeze inside some M14 internals. Which i believe is totally possible with the right tools. Now i've got the help of a Mate who builds weapons for films.
I was wondering the few that have attempted it..how easy did you find it and what were the difficulties.
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Post by volkssturm on Sept 12, 2008 23:46:03 GMT -5
This is something I've been pondering but I've been too lazy to try doing. Would it be possible to make a faux wood stock by glueing a thin veneer of wood over the plastic M14 stock, sanding and staining? I've compared my TSD M14 to my RS M1 and it appears the M14 stock is overall thinner than the M1, so a couple millimeters of wood added would bring it closer to real dimensions. Getting the wood to fit around the wrist and grip might be a major problem. Also not sure where to get the veneer.
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Post by Sgt_Tom on Sept 13, 2008 7:37:51 GMT -5
This kind of thing has already been done with bondo.
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