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Post by YankeeDiv26 on Feb 12, 2008 16:46:40 GMT -5
www.airsoftnews.eu/news.phpBit of very good news for those of you who want a springfield 03A3. CAW just released a prototype replica of the rifle. No airsoft internals yet, but imo the future of an airsoft based variant is very likely. Chinese manufacturers have had a merger/ copyright agreement with CAW to produce their model guns (such as the m79) and I think we'll be able to see a cheap airsoft version come into the ww2 scene within a few months.
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Post by Cpl. Hicks on Feb 12, 2008 16:53:53 GMT -5
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Post by YankeeDiv26 on Feb 12, 2008 17:00:29 GMT -5
That's about what I'm thinking. I'm sure the shiny metal will be the proper color by the time it's produced as well. Personally, I'd hold on to my dough and wait for a company like echo1 to make one (which I'm 90% sure they will).
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Post by Young Blood on Feb 12, 2008 18:47:30 GMT -5
So this is just a model gun right now?? thx for sharing i'll definatly be keeping a lookout..
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Post by 2nd Bat on Feb 12, 2008 18:57:28 GMT -5
The Chinese have not shown much of an infinity for original development with the exception of the MP40 by AGM. I hope I'm wrong on this but I doubt you'll see a viable skirmishable rifle for several years although once they do it will be affordable. Let's hope once they do it won't be a shell ejecting design like the Dboyi Kar 98 but if I had to bet money...
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Post by bluecrabofpain on Feb 12, 2008 22:20:10 GMT -5
Uh-oh, I see shells in those pictures......
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Post by YankeeDiv26 on Feb 12, 2008 22:25:23 GMT -5
Well what's a model gun without a shell ejecting system?
I think it'll end up much like the D-Boyi 98k. Which isn't the best option in the world, but it's far better than 03's that cost upwards of $1000. If it's cheap too, it may make a good base rifle for a conversion using a regular bolt action system.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Feb 12, 2008 23:33:03 GMT -5
That's absolutely true and would be a great step in the direction of affordable Springfields. The Dboys Kar 98 isn't really much cheaper (if at all) then you can buy a real Kar 98 for, so converting one of them doesn't make a whole lot of sense. On the other hand if the Springfield gun sold for $150 or so it'd be a full $200.00 less then you need to now spend on the Springfield components needed to do a conversion. No doubt the metal would be easier to cut and the wood would be softer.
My comments earlier weren't meant to poo poo the news but just to lay out a word of caution so folks didn't get their hopes up too high. I still think an airsoft version is a couple years away. In a perfect world it won't use shells and will have a powerful mechanism using the Bar 10 or TSD VSR base mechanicals or something on that order. If so sign me up!
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Post by click on Feb 13, 2008 2:20:46 GMT -5
Even if it is shell ejecting, I think it would be worth it to get a springfield if only for the parts like the front end, sights, stock, hand guard and barrel bands. In other words take out the original guts and put in some vsr or mp001 internals.
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EDIT: Nevermind I didnt see 2nd Bats post ;D
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Post by Tough Ombre on Feb 13, 2008 14:46:37 GMT -5
Also though, like we found out with the Kar 98, you can mod real brass to be used. Im sure if it was the same type of design the same time of modification could be used. Still not the best option i think, but like was said its a step in the right direction. -Cary
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Post by jimseery on Feb 14, 2008 19:54:52 GMT -5
My experience with CAW, which I admit is limited, seems to show a phenominal lack of customer regard. These are the folks that made the M1A1 to 1928 conversion kits that everybody seems to want are not being offered again in spite of the demand. They've had a model of the Japanese WW2 SMG out for years and have never offered it in airsoft, in short I wouldn't get my hopes up.
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Post by YankeeDiv26 on Feb 14, 2008 20:15:48 GMT -5
My experience with CAW, which I admit is limited, seems to show a phenominal lack of customer regard. These are the folks that made the M1A1 to 1928 conversion kits that everybody seems to want are not being offered again in spite of the demand. Even if every WW2 airsofter and their brother wanted a 1928 kit, they still represent an extremely small niche' on the airsoft market. They've had a model of the Japanese WW2 SMG out for years and have never offered it in airsoft, in short I wouldn't get my hopes up. CAW never came out with a 1928 kit, only a wood kit that would work with a Mosquito Molds m1928 kit and a Tokyo Mauri Thompson. I would know, I own both. These company's aren't in the "wish fufillment business", they're main goal is to make a buck. To them there is likely some reason they decided to discontinue an item that is more justifiable then us just wanting it. Don't forget that the model gun industry and the airsoft industry are two seporate spheres. Airsofters seem to think that just because a company comes out with a model gun that it will come out with an airsoft versions. Sometimes this is the case and sometimes it is not (just look at Shoei). What I think makes CAW different in this situation is their relationship with echo1 (a low budged airsoft company). I think since the limited sucess of replica'like airsoft guns such as the Dboyi k98 a company such as echo1 or CAW will try and pick up the design template and pump out at the very least a cheaper replica gun (which is possibly well suited for conversions0.
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Post by Cpl. Hicks on Feb 14, 2008 21:03:07 GMT -5
Here's some pics:
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Post by 2nd Bat on Feb 14, 2008 23:30:30 GMT -5
Depending on what the price is this could represent a great value even if it isn't airsoft. The Hollywood Springfields (Non firing de-milled guns) are $300.00 plus and the individual parts needed to build a complete conversion from parts can easily run even more then that when you buy them all seperately Granted they're actual parts but even so if the model gun is reasonably priced it would provide the bits needed to complete a do it yourself conversion for possibly less money. No doubt the cuts and mods would be far easier on a model gun. It all awaits seeing what the pricing is. Like Jimsereey I strongly doubt we'll see an airsoft configured Springfield that is skirmishable any time soon and I absolutely hope I am wrong.
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Post by supernube on May 26, 2008 22:43:17 GMT -5
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Post by 2nd Bat on May 26, 2008 23:57:03 GMT -5
It's roughly 870.00 plus shipping to the US so around $950.00 for a non firing model gun. Oh well.
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Post by TommyGunner on May 27, 2008 0:48:31 GMT -5
Wow.....not even close to being worth it, real M1903A3 rifles sell for between $300-$500 even an M1903A1 does not go for $950.
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Post by mauser98k on May 27, 2008 18:57:26 GMT -5
Those guns look hardly done, no metal finish, no stain on the stocks. $870? Worthless.
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Post by YankeeDiv26 on May 27, 2008 20:52:00 GMT -5
Wow! talk about 100% not worth it!
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Post by supernube on May 28, 2008 19:01:59 GMT -5
Wow. Japan is really exploiting our need for a Springfield replica. Or maybe not; do they really think that they will sell any of these?
In order to do a ~ 95% conversion kit you would just need the stock, handguards, outer barrel, receiver and trigger guard and handle ball. You could keep most of the trigger assembly, hopup, magazine, inner barrel, and cylinder.
How hard would it be to mass produce the needed parts?
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Post by YankeeDiv26 on May 28, 2008 19:34:47 GMT -5
The asian market for replica weapons and parts of europe is FAR different. They cant get real firearms nearly as easily as us Americans can. They may sell enough of them, just overseas.
It wouldn't be hard at all to Mass produce the parts. Thats what they did in the 1900's-1940's. Its probably cheaper still to buy the original parts (which were made in teh millions) rather than have a custom run of parts (in dozens/hundreds).
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Post by <2>nd Rangers M/Sgt. Tom on Jun 24, 2008 21:07:42 GMT -5
to bad indeed
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