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Post by Obergefreiter Raimund on Mar 6, 2008 12:04:06 GMT -5
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Post by Obergefreiter Raimund on Mar 6, 2008 12:04:31 GMT -5
Yeah, that is awesome!!!!
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Post by TommyGunner on Mar 6, 2008 13:00:14 GMT -5
Yeah I saw this one youtube a whiel agao, its really insaine. This think rocks and would be perfect for airsoft. It is however a bit small.
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Post by ersatzjack2 on Mar 6, 2008 13:27:58 GMT -5
Yep, looks like an allied tank to me. Poor armor sloping, high silhouette, thin plate, but.... awesome none the less.
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Post by Obergefreiter Raimund on Mar 6, 2008 13:58:01 GMT -5
Yep, looks like an allied tank to me. Poor armor sloping, high silhouette, thin plate, but.... awesome none the less. LMAO!!! ;D
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Post by Lev on Mar 6, 2008 14:06:53 GMT -5
However the allies could retort with "easy on limited gas, manufactured by the thousands, light, doesn't break down."
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Post by CharleyNovember on Mar 6, 2008 15:56:19 GMT -5
don't forget any farmboy could fix it. While jerry's tanks grind to a halt.
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Post by Tough Ombre on Mar 6, 2008 16:09:57 GMT -5
The tank on the back reminds me of the T-34. I gotta say taht thing is funny as hell lookin But would be fun to tool around in. -Cary
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Post by airsoftblitzkrieg on Mar 6, 2008 19:28:24 GMT -5
plus its got killroy hehe
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Post by p40warhawk on Mar 6, 2008 21:09:36 GMT -5
Nice! The best thing is, as long as you can afford a six-wheeler then that isnt to hard to make thanks to the flat sides. The hard part would be a rotating turret to put a cannon in lol
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Post by gryphon on Mar 7, 2008 8:11:33 GMT -5
We've built and crewed in a few of these things over the years. This one is an outstanding effort, and looks like it was built on an ARGO Bigfoot 8x8. The best forum in the US for pics and construction discussions of scenario mini-tanks is the Tank Talk Forum at www.warpig.comAnother good one is TJ Alcott's website, www.armoredfistpaintball.comthe turret is tricky - balance/even weight distribution is incredibly important. IMHO, the best turret-builder in the US is Rick Tuck of Chicago. He used to custom-build turret rings for other tankers.
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Post by gadge on Mar 7, 2008 10:32:55 GMT -5
it i built on an argocat. Its oddballs tetrarch he built (British airborne tank) Unfortunately its unlikely to be at any games as i've heard he doesn't want it shot at in case it damages the paint I did ask him if he wanted to bring it to our 'varsity' game 9as 6th airborne were the only force to ever use tetrarch in combat) but i've heard nothing from him.
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Post by gadge on Mar 7, 2008 10:35:52 GMT -5
Yep, looks like an allied tank to me. Poor armor sloping, high silhouette, thin plate, but.... awesome none the less. Remember until the axis did a more or less direct copy of the T34 (an ALLIED tank) none of their tanks had sloping armour. In fact for the invasion of France, French tanks were far better than german tanks they were just used poorly. Pz1 and Pzii were hopelessly outclassed when they entered service.
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Post by valtteri on Mar 7, 2008 10:48:32 GMT -5
Back in the times when I really started getting into equipment history I quickly realized that all the good stuff the Krauts had came by the time the tide had already turned.. Kinda makes their early success a bit more impressive.
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Post by gadge on Mar 7, 2008 10:59:07 GMT -5
Its about the way it was used not the kit.
German doctrine was to concentrate all thie armour into a spearhead or 'shwerepunkt' and punch through the line, the French and British on the other hand used their armour as spread out infantry support. So effectively you'd get a tank company hitting a tank platoon (or even individual vehicle) and its not contest even if your armour is vastly inferior.
As an interesting annecdote the matilda 1 in british service was impervious to *any* german AT gun at the time. In the end they had to use flak in the ground role to take them out.
A captured British officer remarked to his captor 'I think its damned unsporting of you to use flak on our tanks"
To which the German officer replied in perfect English 'And i feel it damned unsporting of you to field tanks we HAVE to use flak against!'
Getting back on topic, tetrarch was weird one, essentially its a tracked daimler Mkii armoured car performance wise and even has the same turret.... why they didnt just air drop those i dont know.
It was only used in Normandy, after that the locust was used (the US Army built an air portable tank but had nothing that could transport it without sending the turret seperatley!)
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Post by 2nd Bat on Mar 7, 2008 17:43:45 GMT -5
It's a cute effort but it seems to me if you're going to go to the trouble and extreme expensive of building a pseudo armored vehicle at least make the effort to make it resemble something more accurately. The smaller size isn't as troubling to me as it might be to others as even a fairly small vehicle if designed well and crewed well can be extremely intimidating in game play and really change the dynamics of an airsoft experience for the better (in my opinion)
Turrets are hard to do so they function well, have proper balance and provide adequate room inside and vision without looking too hokey. The marvelous fiberglass Sherman in Australia is my favorite so far although I wish it was perhaps a third larger then it is. On this argo platform a M10 or better still an M18 hellcat might have been quite doable and could be made to look p;retty darn good with the usual US assortment of bags and storage piled around it along with some camouflage branches hiding the infidelities
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Post by gadge on Mar 7, 2008 17:46:07 GMT -5
I think an accurate paint job and markings would have helped no end. Flat green look wrong on it but hey.. not my argo...
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Post by gadge on Mar 7, 2008 17:59:59 GMT -5
Same guy has a jeep (converted look-a-like) with an airsoft .30 cal on but agian its not to be used in games in case the paint gets chipped which personally makes putting anairsoft 30 cal on it pretty redundant... Nice jeep though you can see it briefly in the comrades in arms 'arnhem' video. We used to to represent uk hq
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Post by ukkolziasd on Mar 7, 2008 18:12:13 GMT -5
What's the point in making these if the owners are too afraid to use them in games? Come on, you can just slash more paint on it when the old coating looks like monkey balls. That's what we did in the Finnish Army to our trucks and I bet other armies do it too, so that would only make it realistic. ;D After all, it's not supposed to be a fancy sports car or something.
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Post by gadge on Mar 7, 2008 18:41:51 GMT -5
I wholeheartedly agree. I could understand if either vehicle were military antiques and original but neither are true MVs and so wont lose any value. But... his ball his rules
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Post by 2nd Bat on Mar 7, 2008 19:05:39 GMT -5
As Gadge said it's his football and he can play with it any way he likes but I suspect he is missing out on a lot of fun. There are a couple modified ARGOs that come to Lion Claws every year and the owners and their crews have a great time intimidating the heck out of us Infantry guys and contribute a lot to the events.
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Post by Boshman on Mar 10, 2008 8:33:18 GMT -5
It's a cute effort but it seems to me if you're going to go to the trouble and extreme expensive of building a pseudo armored vehicle at least make the effort to make it resemble something more accurately. Errr, have you actually looked up what a Tetrarch is? If you do you will see that this is actually a pretty darn accurate representation of the real vehicle! :
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Post by gadge on Mar 10, 2008 10:05:54 GMT -5
Oh i agree its nice job, would just look more convincing in the right colours, looks bizarre in US livery.
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Post by m5a11943 on Mar 10, 2008 12:36:48 GMT -5
This looks like a cross between a Stuart and a Locust Great effort! Now if only we could get talent like that to make one more acurate. Now lets do a German tank!
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Post by 2nd Bat on Mar 10, 2008 12:55:37 GMT -5
I have always taken great pride in my familiarization with WW2 armored vehicles. I was not at all familiar with the Tetrarch and upon seeing your schematic agree it is a very good replication of that vehicle. I will shut up now. Thanks for the follow up and putting me in my place I deserved it. I applaud his effort to mirror the vehicle as well as he did.
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Post by Guinness on Mar 10, 2008 14:10:15 GMT -5
Yes, To anyone 'skimming' this thread, OddJob's Tetrach-on-Argocat is a very faithfull representation of the original- As suggested, google it and you will see and learn. Tetrarch Info at the Tank MuseumAs for any thing 'implying' that German AFV's were better or more technologically advanced than the allies, I remind you that the Pzkpfw. V Ausf. was designed as a direct result of the Russian T-34...
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Post by bluecrabofpain on Mar 10, 2008 14:34:45 GMT -5
If the turret is the problem with building these things; why not just build a Stug, Hetzer, or a Jagdpanther? Something in the soviet SU series wold also probably work well.
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Post by ukkolziasd on Mar 19, 2008 14:28:43 GMT -5
Haha, I thought I had seen that little drawing on the side of the tank of the first post somewhere and now I remember where it was! Kelly's Heroes, anyone?
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Post by gadge on Mar 19, 2008 19:14:10 GMT -5
Thats because oddball/nigel primarily plays in us kit hence his bizarre decision to paint it in us colours.
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Post by gryphon on Mar 20, 2008 10:38:43 GMT -5
The real trick isn't the turret, it's scraping up the gobs of cash needed to do the job right and keep the lollipops running. I'm a huge advocate of small, manageable light tanks and tankettes like this one for airsofting, as well as the smaller armored cars. Full-scale medium tank replicas are an unbelieveably huge pain in the platoon and the pocketbook to field and keep operational; besides, few fields are set up to allow the big lollipops s maneuvering room.
My first build, years ago, was a vaguely 3/4 scale M3 Stuart plunked on an Argo 6x6; the remains of the "Stuart Little" hull now grace the D-Day field at Battlefield Paintball in Osseo, WI. Next, we built an entire series of push-tanks called PUGs (Panzer Ultraleicht Gepack) that were fairly controversial and got a lot of press at the time - I "published" a how-to guide that sold about 50 copies as well. around that same time, Boris and Medved (panzerknacker) stepped up to the plate for our unit in a big way and used steel plate and a high school auto shop class to convert an old Willys truck into a full-scale BA-64B armored scout car, and "Natasha" has been our platoon's armor support of choice ever since. I'm currently fiddling around with a new armor shell for Argo that looks like a cross between a Komsomolets and a Suchka, because Belka the Tank Girl is agitating for her own ride....
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