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Post by Polski on May 16, 2009 17:52:25 GMT -5
Hello Everyone, I’ve done a few minor custom projects and one decent one, though for this project I would ask for a more experienced craftsman. I would like someone to create an airsoft version of my favorite submachine gun of WWII. This smg was not mass produced, (though about 700 unites were created), nor was it well known off, (I’d be surprised if any non-polish member knows of this gun). Without further delay, the weapon I speak of is the Polish Blyskawica (Lighting in English) submachine gun. Built and used by the Armia Krajowa (Homeland Army) it was very successful and though it was inspired by the German Mp40 and British Sten, it stood as a unique Polish underground firearm.Designed in 1943, and produced in 44, it saw service in the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising (Jewish) and the main Warsaw Uprising (Poles). I haven’t got the talent nor parts to construct this gun; there might not even be any parts available, meaning an almost entire scratch-build. I am looking for durability and 95% aesthetic flawlessness, (I know that this will probably restrict most from pursuing this project but to counterweight my demand I am willing to pay highly…please PM me for more information) A few specs: Weight: 3.22kg Length: 556/730 mm Barrel Length: 197 mm Feed System: 32 round box magazine Plus a site with a successful replica: fk1.webpark.pl/blysk1.gifRegards, Polski
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Post by lrich on May 16, 2009 22:29:19 GMT -5
Very interesting looking gun, and actually, if i didn't have 20 other things on my plate, i would be very interested in doing this. Here is how i would do it: 1. Get a boneyard MP40 from kapowwe, for the gearbox, and hop up 2. Use the stock locking mechanism, but get some 1/16 or 1/8 inch aluminum for the arms (as the Blyskawica arms are fatter, but the folding mech and stock looks about the same) 3. Get some Aluminum tube at, 1.5inch diameter? (the diameter of the receiver would be important to find out) and an aluminum block (1.5inches wide by 7inches long by 3 inches high about and square AL tube that would fit the magazine) 4. Cut the AL block and tube to fit the gearbox, as well as making the charging handle out of an Al rod and sheet 5. Get a car spring for the recoil spring 6. Final fitting and working. If you are lazy, use mp40 mags, if you are really motivated, make your own (which is a bitch if you want to mass produce plenty, I've done it, really nice, but takes a while to design them)
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Post by Polski on May 17, 2009 23:29:59 GMT -5
You sure have made it seem simple lrich. Another possibility is to pursue this from the Sten side, rather than the Mp40. (Modifying the sten body and completely redoing the rear section). Its too bad your busy with other things. I know of two sten specialists, maybe I can get their opinion or help. Polski
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Post by deacon on May 18, 2009 3:27:39 GMT -5
Hell, Ive got a junker MP40 sittin' here collecting dust. Maybe ill make one!
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Post by lrich on May 18, 2009 19:22:07 GMT -5
You sure have made it seem simple lrich. Another possibility is to pursue this from the Sten side, rather than the Mp40. (Modifying the sten body and completely redoing the rear section). Its too bad your busy with other things. I know of two sten specialists, maybe I can get their opinion or help. Polski Well it looks a lot easier than my last project (full metal B.A.R.) which I'm still working on (and seriously questioning my sanity about it) ;D A sten would actually probably be easier to modify, including the fact that those mags look very much like Sten magazines, but i suggested the mp40 route purely because there are plentiful airsoft mp40's (in particular, boneyard ones ripe for being chopped up), but if you had a sten that would certainly help with the upper reciever, mags and magwell (rotate the magwell a bit, but not too hard).
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Post by Polski on May 31, 2009 2:16:54 GMT -5
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Post by Adler69 on May 31, 2009 4:57:33 GMT -5
Only measurements i have for it are from a '60s book on WWII firearms
Length (stock folded): 430 mm (16.9") Length (stock extended): 630 mm (24.8") Barrel length: 200 mm (7.87") Weight: 2.8 kg (6.17 lb)
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Post by Polski on May 31, 2009 16:57:15 GMT -5
Thanks Adler69, every little bit helps! I can't believe your book actually mentioned this weapon.
Polski,
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Post by lrich on May 31, 2009 17:07:14 GMT -5
Wow, for whoever makes that, that makes the entire thing about 90% easier to get the scale of everything correct. Simply take the biggest picture you can find, and then blow it up to the correct size. Then you will have the scale of all the other parts just right. An intriguing thing i noticed is that the stock folds down to make an angle, i would have thought it would have just stuck straight out to make it easier, but i guess not.
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Post by kershmallow on Jun 1, 2009 11:13:11 GMT -5
Polski, which variation of the Blyskawica are you wanting? I've been browsing, and come across this. It appears to show 3 different models?
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Post by Meisterschutze on Jun 1, 2009 11:19:55 GMT -5
I suppose he wants the last one..
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Post by kershmallow on Jun 1, 2009 12:04:32 GMT -5
Hint of sarcasm ^? Yeah i presumed that, but you cant be too vague if your wanting to spend a "considerable" amount of money?
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Post by Polski on Jun 1, 2009 14:39:14 GMT -5
Thanks for the picture kershmallow, and Meisterschutze is right; the bottom model is what I am after. The top one, more or less, looks like a Polish sten while the middle model reminds me of another whole gun created by Armia Krajowa (Homeland Army); it’s called the Kis: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kis_(weapon). Overall the picture is helpful since it helps indicate how much the British sten played a crucial role in the Blyskawica’s creation; I read that the German Mp40 also had a big role in this, mostly because it was a common firearm in Poland during the war. Polski
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Post by kershmallow on Jun 1, 2009 15:39:07 GMT -5
Only measurements i have for it are from a '60s book on WWII firearms Length (stock folded): 430 mm (16.9") Length (stock extended): 630 mm (24.8") Barrel length: 200 mm (7.87") Weight: 2.8 kg (6.17 lb) ahhh okay These measurements should be all you need, along with a few pictures of the gun at different angles. If you know the gun is 430mm long, then you should be able to work out all the other lengths in proportion to it. With frontal, lateral and vertical views, you should have all the angles you need.
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Post by Meisterschutze on Jun 1, 2009 16:03:15 GMT -5
It seems like its using a sten upper reciever, MP40 mag, sten barrel and a MP40 lower reciever. LOL! Best of the 2 worlds together!
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Post by deacon on Jun 4, 2009 1:38:11 GMT -5
I suppose if you cut 2/3rds of the lower MP40 receiver off, then it might be close.
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Post by Polski on Aug 21, 2009 4:06:31 GMT -5
I know that I am reviving an old thread, however this project is far from dead. I have recently returned from Poland, where I made a visit to the Warsaw Uprising Museum to take pictures of the Polish Blyskawica. The submachine gun was encased in glass within a huge cemented block. The items next to it are the sten, 2 polish grenades, and 2 one-shot traps, all built by the polish resistance.Oddly enough, most visitors were around a nearby MG-42 while I was taking these pictures.I personally didn't know that the small-arm actually had lightning lines anywhere on it; they sure look nice though.Well, hopefully it won't be long now before the custom project begins. Polski
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Post by MAS on Aug 21, 2009 9:39:35 GMT -5
The mag is almost the same as a mp40 mag even that little lip thing at the top.
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Post by airbornerocks on Aug 21, 2009 9:52:28 GMT -5
The reward is?
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Post by TommyGunner on Aug 21, 2009 11:22:11 GMT -5
Money
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Post by Polski on Aug 22, 2009 22:35:15 GMT -5
The mag is almost the same as a mp40 mag even that little lip thing at the top. It sure seems to be a mixture, thats for sure. However, in regards to the construction of the airsoft replica, my custom builder thinks a scratch build would be the best approach. I really can not wait! Polski
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Post by glymov on Aug 27, 2009 3:57:21 GMT -5
you can make it from china sten//
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