Adler69
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Post by Adler69 on Jun 28, 2009 23:50:39 GMT -5
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Post by herrgothic on Jul 11, 2009 0:37:02 GMT -5
ABSOLUTLY! It is very distinguishing. At the last event I had to instruct some of the airsoft guys to do just that.
If you havn't tried it you should! What are the benifits? You can run twice as fast and am far less likely to trip on something when you do so.
Klaus
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Post by Fusilier on Jul 12, 2009 11:21:45 GMT -5
Too many reenactors,especially us ex military types, tend to carry our weapons as we are taught,usually at the port,or high port,and to use the buttstock as a kind of cushion when going prone.
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Post by mischief on Sept 13, 2009 22:41:38 GMT -5
I'm to the point that I carry mine like that with all my AEG's. I find I run faster and less likely to trip and take the chance of "taco-ing" my AEG. It was a hard habit to break(going from modern to "old school") but I kinda like it better and when I get to go to WWII event(blank/airsoft) I don't stand out as "that guy".
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Post by Gabe on Sept 20, 2009 10:10:59 GMT -5
I alway carry my weapon Modern Day, Vietnam well just anything the way thats most comfortable to me...I run with it in both hands like any other full stock rifle (unless it has a pistol grip then I just hold that) to have better control, it goes from side to side as if it were a bicycle handle. I've never had problems with that, I also found out that if you do trip, roll and at the same time you pull your weapon in hold it to your chest, you won't lose it when you finally roll over to your belly, your ready to open up at your target.
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Post by Medic on Sept 20, 2009 10:14:48 GMT -5
That's not realistic though...
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oberst42
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Post by oberst42 on Sept 20, 2009 10:57:48 GMT -5
der erste zug has an article on this
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Adler69
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Post by Adler69 on Sept 20, 2009 15:53:56 GMT -5
Too many reenactors,especially us ex military types, tend to carry our weapons as we are taught,usually at the port,or high port,and to use the buttstock as a kind of cushion when going prone. That is the way i was trained also , whenever i hold my FAL , i automatically go into high port mode. But i have also learned how to carry my weapon in the WWII style.
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Adler69
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Post by Adler69 on Sept 20, 2009 15:59:29 GMT -5
I alway carry my weapon Modern Day, Vietnam well just anything the way thats most comfortable to me...I run with it in both hands like any other full stock rifle (unless it has a pistol grip then I just hold that) to have better control, it goes from side to side as if it were a bicycle handle. I've never had problems with that, I also found out that if you do trip, roll and at the same time you pull your weapon in hold it to your chest, you won't lose it when you finally roll over to your belly, your ready to open up at your target. Modern day carry is also wrong for the Vietnam War era .
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Gabe
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Post by Gabe on Sept 20, 2009 18:07:45 GMT -5
No I don't carry it in a modern day style, I cant understand that way of carry, it's to uncomfortable. I was meaning for Modern day type scenarios, Vietnam, etc... You guys remember at cross roads when they sprint across the field when the smoke was popped? Thats how I carry my rifle, across my torso as I was taught to when I was a little kid...
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Adler69
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Post by Adler69 on Sept 20, 2009 19:38:28 GMT -5
2 words , Bayonet charge.
Also a TV show where the actors where trained by Modern instructors.
Have you also noticed what force we are talking about on in this thread?
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Gabe
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Post by Gabe on Sept 21, 2009 0:20:35 GMT -5
Yes I have but the title indicates that this is open to both sides... Heres a link to a picture, the picture is the cover of the Book "To Hell and Back". The way Audie has the mg 42 held in his hands is the way I've held my rifles and guns for years. www.coverbrowser.com/image/perma-books/533-1.jpg I guess I have no more to say although one last word, I used to carry my M-14 like that as well, in one hand, sometimes I do that same thing with my thompson but It's very rare now. Look at some allied pics, they carried them almost the same way as well.
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Post by waldo on Sept 21, 2009 2:17:18 GMT -5
In general, for US troops it goes like this: WWII- port arms or with the muzzle upward as you advance Vietnam- under the shoulder muzzle forward in a ready position Now- muzzle down with the buttstock close against the shoulder
Different styles, for very different conflicts, learn to do it the correct way.
Nick
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Post by gadge on Sept 21, 2009 9:16:15 GMT -5
Someone needs to let this guy know hes holding his rifle in a way not done in WWII (third guy in the line doing it 'vietnam' style) gadabyte.com/ww-ii/images/europe/infantry/60thinf_belgium.jpgAlthough most armies trained to carry the rifle muzzle up, the British army was teaching the 'in the shoulder muzzle down' technique for when you expected contact with the enemy as early as 1942 You occasionally see other individuals doing it as its simply comfier and easier to carry a rifle for prologued time like that. From a 1942 rifle manual. and a patrol of brits advancing muzzles down.
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Post by waldo on Sept 21, 2009 10:50:17 GMT -5
I said 'in general' because there will always be the exception to the rule. It's a good habit to get into for WWII to move with the muzzle up.
Nick
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Post by gadge on Sept 21, 2009 11:29:41 GMT -5
Yep but in the same post say 'learn to do it the correct way' when clearly it was done however was right for you once you'd got out of a training depot.
Note in the line of us soldiers one guy is clearly left handed and holding his rifle the other way despite the fact he wouldn't have been trained to do so.
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Post by Lev on Sept 21, 2009 12:21:30 GMT -5
Gadge is right.
It's "trail arms" for cripe's sake. This is a way of holding the rifle that is taught to every American child who takes hunter's safety, and exists in virtually every nation's manual of arms going back centuries. To claim that this is "the correct way" for a German to carry his rifle is asinine. It's merely one of many "correct" ways to safely handle a rifle.
Let's not get too literal here, guys.
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Post by kilroy9thss on Sept 21, 2009 23:05:24 GMT -5
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Post by mischief on Sept 21, 2009 23:28:20 GMT -5
The way Audie has the mg 42 held in his hands is the way I've held my rifles and guns for years. You do realize that was a staged photo right? Add in the weight of the MG42 and the fact that Audie was in a fight for his life and would be winded, and since you brought up that shot remember he didn't hold it like that for long and in fact dropped the muzzle to the ground.
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Post by CharleyNovember on Sept 22, 2009 0:21:16 GMT -5
While an entire page of you people pissing on each other is amusing, I think the jist of it is how did Germans carry thier rubber rafts? I think we have the definitive answer can we carry on now?
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Adler69
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Post by Adler69 on Sept 22, 2009 1:28:36 GMT -5
Well , you see that is the small 4 men assault raft , it had to be carried that way , the larger assault raft with the small outboard motor however had to be carried a little different because of the mounting plate for the motor. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by CharleyNovember on Sept 22, 2009 2:58:59 GMT -5
killing me I swear you are....
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Post by kilroy9thss on Sept 22, 2009 9:52:29 GMT -5
lmao
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