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Post by blackhawk11 on Jul 11, 2009 1:14:32 GMT -5
I know, I know, when someone talks about French guns , you roll your eyes. When you look at it though, they actually made one or two good guns. They would be great for French partisan impressions, or Vichy French impressions for North Africa. I think that it would not be that hard to make an MAS 38 SMG out of a Version two gear box. The stock could possibly hold a large battery, and could be hand made. the barrel could be PVC or ABS. The mags could be modified tommy mags. I think that this could be done, and at a relatively low cost.
What do you think?
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Post by blackhawk11 on Jul 12, 2009 2:57:42 GMT -5
Will PM you in response to your first Paragraph.
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Post by corporalkitten on Jul 12, 2009 14:35:27 GMT -5
Unnecesarry post deleted.
Good idea. Frenchies need guns, right? ;D
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Post by blackhawk11 on Jul 12, 2009 19:36:13 GMT -5
I believe that their guns were used as flag poles for their white flags!
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Post by Adler69 on Jul 12, 2009 19:44:48 GMT -5
Not really , the Armée française performed a lot better than anyone gives them credit for , they inflicted heavy casualties on the Wehrmacht , they even went several miles into Germany before being pushed back.
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Post by airbornerocks on Jul 12, 2009 19:57:57 GMT -5
I really like French Guns too.
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Post by spitfire740 on Jul 12, 2009 20:47:09 GMT -5
lets not forget the headache they caused the Americans in the beginning of their participation in N.Africa
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Post by volkssturm on Jul 13, 2009 2:04:18 GMT -5
Not really , the Armée française performed a lot better than anyone gives them credit for , they inflicted heavy casualties on the Wehrmacht , they even went several miles into Germany before being pushed back. The problems the French had were mostly that their high command drew the wrong lessons from World War I. They didn't understand that they needed to concentrate their armor, they weren't prepared for the rapid German advance, and they had a communication system that was totally inadequate to control a widespread, mobile battlefield. Their response to the German breakthrough was always too little, too late. The French soldiers found bravely, until they realized they were being wasted. Anglophiles forget that the French fought on for two weeks after Dunkirk, begging the British to get back in the fight. But anyway, a good candidate for a French weapon would be the Chatellerault Modele 24/29 light machinegun. It used the top feed magazine layout, like the Bren, and was based on the locking mechanism of the BAR (flipped upside down, like the modern FN MAG, or M240 in US use). 17thdivision.tripod.com/thepeacethatwasnt/id16.html
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Post by Adler69 on Jul 13, 2009 5:19:13 GMT -5
I believe that their guns were used as flag poles for their white flags!
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Post by airbornerocks on Jul 13, 2009 17:23:32 GMT -5
How about a FM 24/29 light machine gun being made from an AK47?
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Post by lrich on Jul 16, 2009 21:07:23 GMT -5
i think it could be done, only tricky thing would be to flip the hop up. Also, for more realism you would have to fatten the mags, and i don't know which curve is closer, '47 or '74 style
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Post by tw4449 on Jul 16, 2009 22:20:21 GMT -5
Combining two thoughts, here... add this to a WWI thread, and you'll have to do a Chauchat... How would we make it as crappy as the original? Put $30 M16 parts in it? ;D
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Post by lrich on Jul 17, 2009 16:33:11 GMT -5
Combining two thoughts, here... add this to a WWI thread, and you'll have to do a Chauchat... How would we make it as crappy as the original? Put $30 M16 parts in it? ;D I would think mini airsoft gun parts would be more suitable. But you would have to also run it on brand XX AAA size batteries
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Post by Paras Coloniaux on Dec 4, 2009 14:03:17 GMT -5
To the original poster: the French Army fought valiantly during the 1940 campaign. Interestingly, history has recorded the British retreat from Dunkirk as a victory; strategically, yes ... because French Army regiments covered the British rear, going into the bag, allowing the British Army to recover 330,000+ men to fight another day (and also because the German armored formations were halted by Hitler).
After the Second World War, the French CEFEO fought a 9-year war in Indochina, with less men, hardly any material against global Communism on a scale that is incomprehensible. They lost 92,000 men in a war they now call les oublies guerre d'indochine (the Forgotten War in Indochina). By the close of the war, the French GCMA Commandos in the north had driven a half dozen Communist regiments BACK into China, or split them apart while thousands were sacrificed at Dien Bien Phu. Giap, the Communist military leader lauded by U.S. war correspondents admitted in 1992 to a French news reporter that had the US entered the war - blanketed the hills with B-29 strikes ... the war would have been lost, the Vietminh would have returned to China (from whence they came) and Ho would have sued for peace with the French. His army was near mutiny as they threw themselves onto the dug-in automatic weapons of French, French Union, Coloniale, Vietnamese and Foreign Legion time and again.
airbornerocks: was that pic of the 24/29 yours, made from an AK47?
Merci.
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Post by pete59 on Dec 5, 2009 6:46:02 GMT -5
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Post by CharleyNovember on Dec 5, 2009 7:29:18 GMT -5
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Post by Fusilier on Dec 5, 2009 10:20:49 GMT -5
>>> So we have to say nice things about the French??? LOL! Who's insulting them? All I said is that I reenact 1940 French. At least I won't have to clean my MAS36! THAT was a joke! LAUGH! LOL
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Post by petermartin14 on Dec 5, 2009 11:04:04 GMT -5
would you consider my quote to be inflamatory?
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Post by Fusilier on Dec 5, 2009 11:11:33 GMT -5
SOMEBODY must, your quote got deleted.
REMEMBER don't hurt anybody feewings on here!!
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Post by CharleyNovember on Dec 5, 2009 12:27:20 GMT -5
It wasn't directed at you Bob. However if you don't like the rules feel free to leave. This is an international board at this point and we should not be putting down the French, Germans, Japanese, or anyone else. Any post deemed by a mod as breaking rule 11 in letter or spirit may be deleted. Simple rule for you. If you don't want it being said about your own country don't say it about someone elses country. That should keep your posts clear of issues with mods.
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Post by m5a11943 on Dec 5, 2009 12:58:46 GMT -5
Blackhawk11 the only reason any of us are interested in French guns is because of their connection to the allies. In the US the use and history of using French guns goes back to our war for Indepedence and alittle before. Anything we make today into airsoft is going to be way better. I am making a Chau Chat for the Great War, still looking for a donor gun. But you know that it will be way better than an original in the field. To be historically correct we will still have to complain about them.
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Post by Adler69 on Dec 5, 2009 14:05:08 GMT -5
Also remember if it wasn't for the French providing the fledgeling United States with Military and military support , the United States would have lost the War of Independence and we would all be speaking English right now.
The French kept the British Empire from sending thousands of troops to fight in the war by threatening to attack British Colonies in the Caribbean and all over the World.
The War of Independence was a World War in a way , even the Spanish where moving forces against the British Empire.
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Post by Fusilier on Dec 5, 2009 14:25:43 GMT -5
Also remember if it wasn't for the French providing the fledgeling United States with Military and military support , the United States would have lost the War of Independence and we would all be speaking English right now. The French kept the British Empire from sending thousands of troops to fight in the war by threatening to attack British Colonies in the Caribbean and all over the World. The War of Independence was a World War in a way , even the Spanish where moving forces against the British Empire. >> You are correct in some respects,but they helped more with materials and weapons than they did militarily. Sure they sent troops,but in Rhode Island they pulled out before they could do anything,and they made a huge mess on the assault on Savannah in 1779. Only at Yorktown did their troops really make a difference. And yes,the naval battle off the Capes was big as well. The Brits were more occupied elsewhere in the world at that time. If they used ALL their resources in America,they may have kept it,but they only had less than 40,000 troops here at any given time,but they were spread out from NY to Florida. I contend that the military support wasn't needed AS MUCH as the money and supplies. I think we would've won eventually as support for the War was dwindling in GB. They needed the West Indies and India more than they needed America. OK, off my soapbox!
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Post by volkssturm on Dec 5, 2009 17:58:44 GMT -5
A curious thing mentioned in Barbara Tuchman's "Stilwell and the American Experience in China". During WWI the future General Stilwell was a staff officer. He spent some time with a British unit to study their methods andf then spent time with a French unit. He came away with a deep and lasting dislike of the Brits and a love of the French.
Also in WWI the US chose the French to teach them tactical doctrine and also supply them with artillery, aircraft and tanks. (Shipping space was tight and manpower on the western front was short, so it made sense to ship men instead of heavy equipment.) So the French must have been doing something right.
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Post by zzs8mm on Dec 11, 2009 14:01:07 GMT -5
I like the MAS 36, it is a good weapon and simple to disassemble (although I have one screw that has been stripped and seems it can't be removed..).
If anybody is interested in building an airsoft MAS 36, I have an extra set of the rear stock and the lower front stock. I can't remember if I have the upper handguard too...
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Post by Fusilier on Dec 11, 2009 15:42:08 GMT -5
I like the MAS 36, it is a good weapon and simple to disassemble (although I have one screw that has been stripped and seems it can't be removed..). If anybody is interested in building an airsoft MAS 36, I have an extra set of the rear stock and the lower front stock. I can't remember if I have the upper handguard too... >> They are really nice shooters,even without any safety! I have 2. A post War refurb,and an original,1939 dated one. I'll be doing a 1940 event next spring in VA.
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Post by zzs8mm on Dec 12, 2009 0:35:41 GMT -5
Mine is a post war made, probably late 1945 with the prefix L. Very beat up. I haven't shot it yet, as I can't find the ammo (nor afford to buy it right now, but I don't plan to buy any right now).
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Post by bluecrabofpain on Jan 15, 2010 13:30:31 GMT -5
Sorry for resurrecting an old thread and sorry for not knowing anywhere near enough weapon terminology, but this place sells parts for the Mas-36 rifle. Well, everything except the barrel and receiver for $125. This, however, begs the question. Is it possible to convert one of these into an airsoft replica WITHOUT the barrel and receiver? www.sarcoinc.com/m36.htmlI'm pretty sure one could get away with using the barrel provided with the airsoft gun itself, but what about the missing receiver?
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Post by volkssturm on Jan 15, 2010 15:35:18 GMT -5
Mine is a post war made, probably late 1945 with the prefix L. Very beat up. I haven't shot it yet, as I can't find the ammo (nor afford to buy it right now, but I don't plan to buy any right now). If you decide to shoot that, you can find ammunition at Graf and Sons. They mail/online order. www.grafs.comPrices run $16 - $20 per 20.
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Post by commander on Feb 3, 2010 2:18:47 GMT -5
Pourquoi est-ce que vous toujours insultez le Nobel, bravez et armée française aimable ?
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