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Post by kalbs on Dec 22, 2009 19:28:36 GMT -5
Perhaps he means "who" as in they seem fairly unknown as a company. They sort of came out of the woodwork. I have seen a few small products from them in the last year and now they are producing a full AEG. Someone made mention of them being an offshoot of gunnerairsoft in HK. Hexagon is a spin-off of Gunnerairsoft (a HK based supplier/retailer testing the waters for their own products). If you recall S-3 was the first to release the MP-40 which was really an AGM's product. I suspect the same thing here. Gunner will be first to release either the China or ARES made ppsh under the Hexagon name. Not sure, maybe they are one and the same product? ARES is part of Star. The Star brand will be reserved for parts and ARES for Guns.
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Post by CptJericho on Dec 22, 2009 19:32:21 GMT -5
Perhaps he means "who" as in they seem fairly unknown as a company. They sort of came out of the woodwork. I have seen a few small products from them in the last year and now they are producing a full AEG. Someone made mention of them being an offshoot of gunnerairsoft in HK. Hexagon is a spin-off of Gunnerairsoft (a HK based supplier/retailer testing the waters for their own products). If you recall S-3 was the first to release the MP-40 which was really an AGM's product. I suspect the same thing here. Gunner will be first to release either the China or ARES made ppsh under the Hexagon name. Not sure, maybe they are one and the same product? ARES is part of Star. The Star brand will be reserved for parts and ARES for Guns. Then lets buy as many ppsh 41s as we can carry, and then some more!
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Post by petermartin14 on Dec 22, 2009 20:42:50 GMT -5
hahaha. sure im fine with that!
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Post by Fusilier on Dec 22, 2009 21:19:07 GMT -5
I'm down for at least 2.
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Post by kken on Dec 22, 2009 21:46:17 GMT -5
If no one bought the first AEG ever made just because no one ever heard of it before we wouldn't have airsoft as we know it today. Its just a gamble is all. I intend to purchase both the HP PPSH-41 and the AGM and do a bit of comparisons and field tests for the both of them. =) tell that to the guys who paid for MGW guns and never got squat.
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Post by mccallion on Dec 22, 2009 21:54:40 GMT -5
im down for at least one i cant wait!
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Post by squirrelcat on Dec 22, 2009 21:59:48 GMT -5
Yeah, I don't mind being a Ginnie pig and getting this hexagon Productions model because it really does look like a promising AEG and if not I have ways of getting money back...hahaHAAHAH ;D ;D ;D Coming from the 14 year old kid who talked CYMA in to getting him a free Thompson for a broken MP40 True story just ask Petemartin
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Post by maxim on Dec 22, 2009 23:15:13 GMT -5
Dear Kalbs, I am the guy from Hexagon Production, and I am pretty sure your message are all wrong. about our PPsh, I started this project 1 year ago based on Hudson PPsh and M14 gearbox, First prototype finished and tested my myself and I start the production. and I added some details so it looks more real then hudsons. I can tell you this PPsh is completely non-related to the Clone machine AGM. The MP40 and S-3 was another story. If you expect you will have my PPsh from AGM a few months later, I will say no way, thats a joke. About HP and Gunner, Fung @ gunnerairsoft is my Cousin. We have the same Family name "Fung", you guys call him "Fung" or "Fat cat" and as I know he has no other english name, and My Name is "Maxim Fung". He helped me a lot to set up my site, and design some of HP products. Please consider HP and gunnerairsoft are 2 individual companies. and ARES is not part of Star, sorry, no way!! ARES is ARES, the brand of original maker of their product, Some years ago Star bought guns from them and re-brand it as Star, thats all. Also This PPsh will NOT availiable at Gunner airsoft and other HK retailers at beginning. I will send them to retailers/dealers outside HK for the first run. the second batch MAY availiable to Hong Kong retailers. Hope this help Merry X`mas guys! Maxim Perhaps he means "who" as in they seem fairly unknown as a company. They sort of came out of the woodwork. I have seen a few small products from them in the last year and now they are producing a full AEG. Someone made mention of them being an offshoot of gunnerairsoft in HK. Hexagon is a spin-off of Gunnerairsoft (a HK based supplier/retailer testing the waters for their own products). If you recall S-3 was the first to release the MP-40 which was really an AGM's product. I suspect the same thing here. Gunner will be first to release either the China or ARES made ppsh under the Hexagon name. Not sure, maybe they are one and the same product? ARES is part of Star. The Star brand will be reserved for parts and ARES for Guns.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Dec 22, 2009 23:25:06 GMT -5
Maxim,
Welcome to the board! Thanks for the update and most especially thanks for spearheading the production of a long sought after product that I am extremely confident will do well. If you're looking for additional production ideas this is a great place to knock around.
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Post by toboggan on Dec 22, 2009 23:33:34 GMT -5
Yes, welcome, and very glad you cleared that up with us! Now for the thing everyone has been asking, ans 2ndBat, suprised you didn't. Do you have an estimated date as to the arrival of the PPSH to the united states?
Thanks,
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Post by kalbs on Dec 23, 2009 1:47:23 GMT -5
This is awsome! welcome aboard Maxim. What is especially cool is that you guys who manufacture AEG's actually visit our web sites and get to know our needs and wants.
Thanks for the correction of the rumors maxim.
You have made my day sir!
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Post by CptJericho on Dec 23, 2009 1:49:22 GMT -5
Well you popped my bubble maxim... , that ppsh looked cool. anyways we still got ppsh's comin out. This is awsome! welcome aboard Maxim. What is especially cool is that you guys who manufacture AEG's actually visit our web sites and get to know our needs and wants. Thanks for the correction of the rumors maxim. You have made my day sir! Oh yeah if tell them our needs and wants TELL THEM TO MAKE A FREAKIN AEG M1 GARAND!!!!!!!!!! but appart from that all the ww2 guns you can come out with are great.
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Post by petermartin14 on Dec 23, 2009 13:25:18 GMT -5
more german guns!!!!! please!!!!!!!
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Post by Sgt_Tom on Dec 23, 2009 13:54:55 GMT -5
I personally believe although I play as a German, we need more US guns, affordable ones anyway. The only ones we have now are the Thompson, where the Germans have an MP44, MP40, and Dboys Kar98. If we had say a Dboys Springfield, and an affordable B.A.R we'd be doing great. But I'd gladly welcome any WWII gun, especially a Garand. I guess I am more centered on US and German guns though as we have no Russian games down here and have no British players. I guess to even things out what we need the most are the main battle rifles. Kar98(non shell ejecting) M1 Garand Lee Enfield and Mosin Nagant
It looks like with all these sneak peack releases it is very hopefull that we will see all of these in the not so far away future.
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Post by squirrelcat on Dec 23, 2009 14:12:13 GMT -5
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Post by Fusilier on Dec 23, 2009 15:46:31 GMT -5
WHY is everybody screaming for a Springfield?? They were only MOSTLY used VERY early, and only later by snipers and certain units.
WE need GARANDS! M1 carbines, M3 grease guns.
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Post by petermartin14 on Dec 23, 2009 16:23:16 GMT -5
and........k98 and MG42........
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Post by CharleyNovember on Dec 23, 2009 16:32:55 GMT -5
Bob is right the main battle rifles are what is needed the rest sell better I think because it crosses platforms. A Thompson sells to WW2 guys and also has some sale to non ww2ers because it is an AEG and they will use it for modern games. I still think there are tons of people that would buy a springpowered K98 that is non shell ejecting and similar to the many custom jobs that people buy now. Hell a BAR10ish rifle wrapped in a K98 shell should be easy to produce with injection molding. You could then easily produce an Enfield, Arisaka and such. The AEG's will always out sell them I think though. I think this will be a good deal and we will all see new toys we have only dreamed of.
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Post by Sgt_Tom on Dec 23, 2009 16:33:25 GMT -5
I'd much rather have an M1 Garand then Springfield, actually I'd much rather have a Garand then anything. However it would be good for WWI and its better then a Thompson in my opinion. Dboys already made a Kar98 so It just makes sense to continue with a Springfield or something. But yea a Garand would be the best. A Carbine would be almost cooler because custom ones are so so rare.
CN I see your point and it explains why they haven't expanded into the rifle zone. I still think a Garand would get a lot of sales, heck throw a full auto switch on and there its not a rifle anymore.
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Post by Fusilier on Dec 23, 2009 16:52:32 GMT -5
Enfields I can see,Mosins, not so much.Even though millions were produced,I don't think it will be a huge seller in the AS community. I would say MOST airsofters like full auto weapons,or weapons with a high mag capacity. Some of us who were trained otherwise,not so much. I recently purchased 3 GBB weapons,a WE SCAR, M4 and a A7K AK-74. All real cap mags. I may never go back to high caps. But I digress...
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Post by 2nd Bat on Dec 23, 2009 16:53:22 GMT -5
There is no doubt that was has held the manufacturers back on period main battle rifles is the fear that they will not be sold in large enough numbers since the vast majority of airsofters are into small, short, high ROF, large capacity magged AEGs With that said everyone is chasing that market and there is definitely a growing market (that would explode exponentially) for a Garand, Kar 98, Springfield and Carbine. The failure of the Marushin Garand or the DBoys Kar 98 from reaching their sales goals are due to their ineffectiveness as either a plinker or skirmish gun. The same guns with non shell ejecting or AEG internals would do incredibly well. A marginal premium for the lower volume such rifles would support would be fine and would allow such a manufacturer to enjoy a niche and at least for a while reduced competition. The PPSH, MP40 and to some degree the MP44 are seeing the light of day I suspect because they cross over into the mass airsoft market by addressing the common airsofters needs.
With eight companies chasing the M14 market one would think one or even two companies chasing the Garand market could do very very well. If anyone would like free advice and technical tips based on my experiences so far having built almost 300 of them I will gladly provide it!!!!! There is so much I would love to see done with a replica Garand AEG that are outside my scope of capability that I'd willingly support any companies efforts.
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Post by petermartin14 on Dec 23, 2009 18:17:01 GMT -5
well, im just saying i would love a bolt action.
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Post by toboggan on Dec 23, 2009 19:12:42 GMT -5
Here's what we need M1 Garand Non-shell ejecting K98 M1 Carbine MG42 Mosin Nagant - it won't get A TON, but will get enough money to keep producing.
DO NOT put a full auto switch on a garand, i personally WOULD not buy it. It needs to have some sort of rfull auto switch doesn't cut it.
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Post by Fusilier on Dec 23, 2009 19:55:28 GMT -5
Here's what we need M1 Garand Non-shell ejecting K98 M1 Carbine MG42 Mosin Nagant - it won't get A TON, but will get enough money to keep producing. DO NOT put a full auto switch on a garand, i personally WOULD not buy it. It needs to have some sort of rfull auto switch doesn't cut it. >> I agree! Just like an MP-40 doesn't need a selector switch!
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Post by petermartin14 on Dec 23, 2009 20:10:51 GMT -5
hahahha. yea i agree 100% with toboggan
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Post by Sgt_Tom on Dec 23, 2009 20:39:16 GMT -5
Seriously if a switch is what they need to do to make it sell, slap it on. We've waited long enough, removing a switch is a whole lot easier then making a Custom Garand.
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Post by deacon on Dec 23, 2009 20:55:07 GMT -5
they at least need a spring de-tensioner. something that when the piston gets held back it can be released. semi-autos seem to always have troubles, so putting a full auto switch somewhere on the rifle would make since. on my garand conversion i did a while back. every so often, shooting too fast on semi auto would cause the trigger to just click and did not power the gear-box. so I would have to switch it to full auto for a shot then switch it back. I think the best place to put one would be where the M14 selector is, only make it a little switch, something easy to cover up.
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Post by squirrelcat on Dec 23, 2009 21:59:57 GMT -5
Here's what we need M1 Garand Non-shell ejecting K98 M1 Carbine MG42 Mosin Nagant - it won't get A TON, but will get enough money to keep producing. DO NOT put a full auto switch on a garand, i personally WOULD not buy it. It needs to have some sort of rfull auto switch doesn't cut it. You said it brother! The mosin would be nice but is kind of unnecessary because of the 5 million and a half ways to custom make one. The non-shell KAR...GENIUS!!! we need to get one of those in circulation and the community would explode due to popularity with most all players. Another biggie that was not mentioned is Somewhat cheap jap gun like a type 99 springer or a cheap M3(grease gun) AEG. Ehhhh go ahead and throw an SVT in there for good measure And yes no auto M1's or someone is gonna need an abortion
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Post by maxim on Dec 24, 2009 4:08:42 GMT -5
hey bros,
Thanks for all the comments on my PPsh, all those comments, no matter positive or negative, will be a guide line for me to improve the products!! Thanks again everyone!!
also, I have to admit, the color of the wood may be a bit light, I will try to stain it darker later, but the first run of those has already been made......so expect those light colored wood will hit the market first.
I still have no idea what should be my next project....... there is too much option I can chose from.....lets see how the PPsh sells and I will think again what should I make.
also good news for you guys, I am working on the mid cap stick mag for my PPsh, I may start the production of the stick mag after Chinese new year.
Thanks!
Max
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Post by squirrelcat on Dec 24, 2009 7:00:50 GMT -5
also good news for you guys, I am working on the mid cap stick mag for my PPsh, I may start the production of the stick mag after Chinese new year. Thanks! Max[/quote] YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I WAS SO EXCITER THAT THERE MIGHT BE A STICK MAGAZINE AND NOW THERE IS ;D ;D ;D......HAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHA THIS IS AMAZING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! How Much I have to get this gun....if I can afford it...So how much do you think the first run will be? The wood doesn't matter as much because most everybody here has been exposed to proper wood staining techniques. It truly is a great design and I think the stick mags will sell really well. Cheers to you and good luck! Katz Oh and Merry Christmas to all yall
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