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Post by Sgt_Tom on Dec 24, 2009 8:25:33 GMT -5
hey bros, Thanks for all the comments on my PPsh, all those comments, no matter positive or negative, will be a guide line for me to improve the products!! Thanks again everyone!! also, I have to admit, the color of the wood may be a bit light, I will try to stain it darker later, but the first run of those has already been made......so expect those light colored wood will hit the market first. I still have no idea what should be my next project....... there is too much option I can chose from.....lets see how the PPsh sells and I will think again what should I make. also good news for you guys, I am working on the mid cap stick mag for my PPsh, I may start the production of the stick mag after Chinese new year. Thanks! Max Hey Max we are all really glad to have you on the WWII Airsoft Forum. As far as the wood color bieng too light its not a big deal. Fantastic that your making stick mags, I know a lot of people on here want them.
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Post by krumlauf83 on Dec 24, 2009 8:36:02 GMT -5
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Post by petermartin14 on Dec 24, 2009 10:18:20 GMT -5
sorry the link dosent work on my computer at least
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Post by Sgt_Tom on Dec 24, 2009 11:22:01 GMT -5
Copy the whole link it worked for me. The pictures however are all X'ed off.
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Post by toboggan on Dec 24, 2009 11:43:12 GMT -5
Here's what we need M1 Garand Non-shell ejecting K98 M1 Carbine MG42 Mosin Nagant - it won't get A TON, but will get enough money to keep producing. DO NOT put a full auto switch on a garand, i personally WOULD not buy it. It needs to have some sort of rfull auto switch doesn't cut it. Well, thank you, never have gotten that many nice comments from one post. But I do agree with the spring de-tensioner, they have to make them, just don't put a full auto switch on that M1. I swear, don't do it. hahaha. Seriously if a switch is what they need to do to make it sell, slap it on. We've waited long enough, removing a switch is a whole lot easier then making a Custom Garand. A full auto switch IS NOT what the need to do to sell it. A production run M1 Garan AEG will sell all on it's own, it's like kids in school when they finish a test, people are done, they just wait for the first kid to actually go turn it in. Just like creating the M1 Garand AEG, a bunch of companies are more then likely wanting to make one, but are waiting for a company to actually do a production run. Currently I'm going to make a poll, with multiple WWII guns, and the end result(im hoping) will let companies know, such as maxim, which gun to create next, i'll put it right in this section too, so everyone knows where it's at, and PLEASE vote on it, i think this will do a world of good for the WWII Airsoft community.
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Post by pvtcollins on Dec 31, 2009 13:28:36 GMT -5
so, any more news on when the AGM ppsh is going to come out? Im leaning towards the HP, but want some more info on the AGM before i decide.
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Post by maxim on Jan 4, 2010 14:32:33 GMT -5
hey bros, Just a quick update. The Drum mag internals arrived, and I confirmed the capacity is 600-700rds, and not the 1200rd I advertised previously. the reason for this because.....I summited 2 samples to my friend who made the mold, he tried both samples and think the smaller one will feed better. so we go with the 600ish rd one. I apologise for the misleading info I posted previously. I am assmebling those PPsh at this moment, the first 500pcs will be shipped out to wholesalers around the world on mid Jan as planned. by the end of Jan or early Feb, they will be availiable on some Hong Kong retailers. and I am watching on the poll thread, seems you guys prefer a Garand.....Garand is not too difficult to make because I can base on M14 to make modifications, but seems top loading is impossible......I can`t decide what to make next on this moment, becuase I planned something else months ago......
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Post by squirrelcat on Jan 4, 2010 14:57:20 GMT -5
hey bros, Just a quick update. The Drum mag internals arrived, and I confirmed the capacity is 600-700rds, and not the 1200rd I advertised previously. the reason for this because.....I summited 2 samples to my friend who made the mold, he tried both samples and think the smaller one will feed better. so we go with the 600ish rd one. I apologise for the misleading info I posted previously. I am assmebling those PPsh at this moment, the first 500pcs will be shipped out to wholesalers around the world on mid Jan as planned. by the end of Jan or early Feb, they will be availiable on some Hong Kong retailers. Epic! When will you disclose this information? and I am watching on the poll thread, seems you guys prefer a Garand.....Garand is not too difficult to make because I can base on M14 to make modifications, but seems top loading is impossible......I can`t decide what to make next on this moment, becuase I planned something else months ago......
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jan 4, 2010 15:15:41 GMT -5
The top loading challenge with the Garand is perfectly understandable and flush mounted clip executed well will work fine. The M14 is an excellent base arrangement. The links from SGT tom shows some excellent work from a custom shop in Japan and a manufacturer would do well to study their efforts.
My conversion is a home effort, side business but if there is anything you can learn from my efforts you are welcome to any information I can provide.
Here are a couple thoughts:
The single slot gas tube is preferrable and the site locks are a great touch. (WW2 and universally desireable touches) I like the way they finished off the base mag well area and their use of a 30 round clips seems about right. (You'll sell a lot of spare clips!) An early war slotted handguard clip would be indicative of a Garand that could have soldiered throughout the war and since it is a rare and collectible variant would be an added detail that would make your effort even more desireable.
I have sold now almost 300 conversions ranging from 1200.00 to $560.00 with by far the majority in the $560 range. (They used many actual Garand components) This was done over the course of six years with minimal marketing and no distribution whatsoever. I simply built and sold them out of my small shop. They sold all over the world with well over half of them going overseas to Europe, Scandanavia and Eastern Europe.
This is clear indication that there is a willing market for a Garand AEG. If one could be produced in volume in a price range more in line with normal AEG rifles, sales in my opinion would be extraordinary
I would be delighted to see a quality producer enter this market as my interest has always been to simply support the WW2 airsoft community. An affordable well done AEG Garand would be a huge step forward in support of this hobby.
This such an iconic rifle it would sell universally throughout the airsoft world if it was well done and reliable which I'm sure it would be. I will gladly provide you with insight and lessons learned from my experiences
Thanks for visiting our site and good luck with all your endeavors. Since I started making them it was my hope someone would step up and offer this rifle. There was a weak effort out of the Phillipines that simplky fell way too short with regard to visual accuracy. You could offer an all plastic base model and a real wood upscale version which would no doubt be the preferred choice for the reenactor and WW2 airsoft community
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Post by toboggan on Jan 4, 2010 15:43:02 GMT -5
Agreed. very agreed with 2nd bat. The wood version would be the optimum choice. Now Maxim, excuse me for being forgetful, but you're with Hexagon Productions, right?
On making the M1 Garand, would it be possible to invert the hop-up unit, so it could be top fed? As well, I, as well as others, think that it should be SEMI-AUTO ONLY, and have some sort of spring de-tensioner. I have blown up a few gearboxes shooting semi and trying to shoot too fast.
Thank you for your great product, and cannot wait for the arrival of the PPSH, and the next weapon you plan on building.
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Post by CptJericho on Jan 4, 2010 17:29:27 GMT -5
Maxim please make a garand next, most of the ww2 airsofters with thank you. We dont care it its top loaded(maybe it could be like a P90?), we're fine with bottom loaded, well as long as the clip fits in a M1923 cartridge belt.
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Post by Fusilier on Jan 4, 2010 17:49:06 GMT -5
Maxim please make a garand next, most of the ww2 airsofters with thank you. We dont care it its top loaded(maybe it could be like a P90?), we're fine with bottom loaded, well as long as the clip fits in a M1923 cartridge belt. >> AMEN brother,preach it!! ;D
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Post by deacon on Jan 5, 2010 3:35:42 GMT -5
Im not sure if you guys realize this but with a P90 hop-up, it just wouldn't work how you would like. here is a picture of how a P90 hop-up would line up in the M1. There is a big fat gearbox in the way as well. Bottom loading is just going to have to be the way to go.
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Post by Lev on Jan 5, 2010 8:13:58 GMT -5
Maxim please make a garand next, most of the ww2 airsofters with thank you. We dont care it its top loaded(maybe it could be like a P90?), we're fine with bottom loaded, well as long as the clip fits in a M1923 cartridge belt. >> AMEN brother,preach it!! ;D And please burn "506 PIR - Easy Company" on the rear of the stock. I'm sure that would be a big seller too
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Post by kalbs on Jan 5, 2010 8:40:21 GMT -5
I would follow 2nd Bat's design, it's tried and battlefield tested. Don't get fancy with top loading. It doesn't work with the China kar98k and most are happy with an AEG that works well and looks like a Garand, not a modified M14. All wood and metal please
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Post by Fusilier on Jan 5, 2010 11:42:46 GMT -5
And please burn "506 PIR - Easy Company" on the rear of the stock. I'm sure that would be a big seller too >> I hope you're kidding right??
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Post by Lev on Jan 5, 2010 11:57:27 GMT -5
And please burn "506 PIR - Easy Company" on the rear of the stock. I'm sure that would be a big seller too >> I hope you're kidding right?? Yes. I'm kidding.
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Post by squirrelcat on Jan 5, 2010 16:05:40 GMT -5
And please burn "506 PIR - Easy Company" on the rear of the stock. I'm sure that would be a big seller too >> I hope you're kidding right?? Yes. I'm kidding. Its funny because normaly this question is asked about one of fuilier comments and the standard reply is as fallows... "I'm kidding SHEESH" Ahahahhahahahahhahaa ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by petermartin14 on Jan 5, 2010 16:12:02 GMT -5
hahaha, how did we get to the M1 Garand?
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Post by deacon on Jan 6, 2010 3:10:10 GMT -5
Maxim suggesting thats what he makes next.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jan 6, 2010 14:09:39 GMT -5
While using the M14 tried and true gear box a lot of WW2 weapons could be readily adapted with fairly minor effort. The PPSH is clearly being done due to the M14 designed gearbox.
For follow up efforts the Garand is an obvious choice as everything aligns pretty much perfectly as long as you stick with flush mounted bottom feeding clips. (An effort that if designed from the beginning could be done quite nicely) Wood would be the ideal of course and is probably what would sell best to this community but a quality done, plastic stock in simulated wood and handguards would be fine as a price point for the broader market. (Ala D-boys kar 98)
The BAR is the next, most easily adapted design using the M14 as a base as once again things fit and align quite well. Moving forward the G43 and SVT even Ivar Johnson could probably be done. The market is there and is eager and willing. If done as a ground up mass production, the expense and effort for doing them right vs doing it hokey are virtually the same so the hope is that when they are done they will hopefully be done well.
I'd hate to think that a poorly done replica that doesn't succeed would reflect negatively on others approaching this line of weapons (Marushin GBB and Kar 98 D-boys with shell ejecting cartridges.) Both would have been far more successful if they were more skirmishable. The AEG MP40 has done well but would have been even more successful if the few infidelities in it's design were accounted for when it was initially introduced.
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Post by sarge12 on Jan 6, 2010 18:06:27 GMT -5
Iver Johnson made rifles in WWII? ??
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Post by CptJericho on Jan 6, 2010 18:34:04 GMT -5
Hey now we have a weapon for the north koreans/chinese for korean war airsofting
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Post by hairy apple on Jan 6, 2010 22:21:49 GMT -5
I will be putting together a commie impression just becuase of how much I love the PPSH41. I'm very excited to see this guy come out.
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Post by sarge12 on Jan 7, 2010 10:29:43 GMT -5
will the thompson drum mag work, what kind of gearbox did you put in the PPSH
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Post by blackhawk11 on Jan 11, 2010 0:29:41 GMT -5
hey bros, Just a quick update. The Drum mag internals arrived, and I confirmed the capacity is 600-700rds, and not the 1200rd I advertised previously. the reason for this because.....I summited 2 samples to my friend who made the mold, he tried both samples and think the smaller one will feed better. so we go with the 600ish rd one. I apologise for the misleading info I posted previously. I am assmebling those PPsh at this moment, the first 500pcs will be shipped out to wholesalers around the world on mid Jan as planned. by the end of Jan or early Feb, they will be availiable on some Hong Kong retailers. and I am watching on the poll thread, seems you guys prefer a Garand.....Garand is not too difficult to make because I can base on M14 to make modifications, but seems top loading is impossible......I can`t decide what to make next on this moment, becuase I planned something else months ago...... Thank you for being so honest. From what I have gathered, I have decided that I will buy your ppsh over the others. Your dedication to your potential customers is admirable.
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Post by CharleyNovember on Jan 11, 2010 2:14:16 GMT -5
MAXIM - GARAND GARAND GARAND orrrrr CARBINE CARBINE CARBINE. Para model is you can arrange it.
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Post by CptJericho on Jan 11, 2010 2:43:20 GMT -5
MAXIM - GARAND GARAND GARAND orrrrr CARBINE CARBINE CARBINE. Para model is you can arrange it. Maxim GARAND GARAND GARAND GARAND GARAND GARAND GARAND GARAND!!!!
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jan 11, 2010 13:48:35 GMT -5
GARAND, GARAND, GARAND,Garand, Garand, Garand!!!!! BAR, BAR, BAR, Carbine carbine.
Maxim I will echo Blackhawks sentiments and will likewise state that I will buy your PPSH over others in response to your attention to our niche and look forward to future endeavors by your company.
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Post by maxim on Jan 11, 2010 14:48:10 GMT -5
hey dudes, To be honest, my teams are good in Steel stamping and machining. The cheapest way to make Garand receiver is cast aluminium (just like M14 AEG), I dont have the right tool or technique to cast aluminium at this moment......so I dont think I can make a good garand at reasonable price at this moment. but dont be disappointed yet, I will keep looking for someone who can make cast Alu for me, and I will not stop to make other WW2 stuff.
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