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Post by soldatjakob on Dec 20, 2009 10:09:34 GMT -5
I am trying to better my LFD impression, i have a rilfeman kit and a machine gunner (MG-15) kit. Does anyone have any good pics of what kind of gear these guys wore, because I know they got some pretty odd ball stuff due to the fact that they were kind of a throw together unit.
So far I have:
LFD Splinter tunic Luftwaffe blue/grey pants Fallschirmjager Helmet Fallschirmjaer K98 bandolier Jump boots two bread bags, One for food and what not, and the other is for my machinegunner impression, (i saw pictures of guys with one in the front for thier cleaning kit and spare rifle ammo) canteen mess tin ......any other suggestions would be most appreciated
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Post by guitarmaster on Dec 20, 2009 18:14:33 GMT -5
I would go with a stalhelm instead of an FJ helmet, same with jump boots. I sure they were used but i think jackboots would be better. 272nd.org/feld_division/FD(L).htm
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Post by CharleyNovember on Dec 20, 2009 18:32:16 GMT -5
With the stuff you already have you would do better to go the route of FJ rather than Field Division. Late war Fally's still wore jump boots and the jump helmet. You had FJ all the way up to almost end of the war being used. replacement recruits were either not jump qualified or shoddly qualified.
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Post by soldatjakob on Dec 20, 2009 19:07:47 GMT -5
I already have an FJ impression, with the LFD impression im just branching out, but not out too far as to where i have to buy a whole new kit from the bottom up (im in college, therefore quite destitute at the moment)
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Post by Fusilier on Dec 20, 2009 19:30:26 GMT -5
I've been doing 20th LFD for close to five years now in blank fire. Specific items you need:
LFD splinter B jacket. This was a FD issue item made just for them. Was also made in sumpfmuster (aka tan/water). They did not wear splinter tunics. The splinter tunics they make today are the wrong pattern for Luftwaffe troops anyway.
M35 or M42 Stahlhem,painted Luftwaffe blue,or camo painted. NOT a FJ helmet.
Regular low boots or jackboots. FD personnel were NOT paratroops,so you don't need jumo boots.
Luftwaffe blue/gray, or regular Heer field gray trousers.
ONE breadbag. Field blue,or regular.
Luftwaffe brown y- straps.
NO bandoleer, but brown, or black, doesn't matter K98 pouches.
Luftwaffe belt buckle,painted or unpainted.
If you're portraying a MG gunner, you need a spare parts pouch/box.
Luftwaffe fliegerbluse with GREEN collar tabs and green piped shoulderboards.
Luftwaffe M43 cap.
Gas mask and canister.
Folding or straight entrenching tool.
If you have any questions,you can PM me,I'll be happy to help.
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Post by soldatjakob on Dec 20, 2009 22:22:34 GMT -5
Thanks Fusilier, thats a big help. Do you know what kind of thing that they would use to carry the trommelhalter for the MG-15 (AK47 C mag), for the short AK mags I use for my custom MG-15 so far i have been using my FG-42 bandolier, but i know its wrong
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Post by Fusilier on Dec 20, 2009 23:25:57 GMT -5
Thanks Fusilier, thats a big help. Do you know what kind of thing that they would use to carry the trommelhalter for the MG-15 (AK47 C mag), for the short AK mags I use for my custom MG-15 so far i have been using my FG-42 bandolier, but i know its wrong >> I'll have to consult my book: German Universal Machine Guns, on the MG34/42. Theres a lot in there on the MG-15. Filed divisions did have SOME outdated equipment,most notably in artillery,getting issued old French '75s from the first WW. The NORMALLY had MG-34's and 42's. BUT ,MG-15's aren't totally wrong. Do you have a pic?
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Post by gadge on Dec 29, 2009 16:25:33 GMT -5
Remember that the LFD had a cadre of FJ in each division for morale and training purposes.
I've got some pics somewhere of some FJ guys in LFD smocks and regular stalhelms... I'll try and dig it out.
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Post by gadge on Dec 29, 2009 16:31:17 GMT -5
here you go: There you go a very mixed bag of FJ or are they LFD or both, hard to tell....
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Post by Fusilier on Dec 29, 2009 16:49:58 GMT -5
here you go: There you go a very mixed bag of FJ or are they LFD or both, hard to tell.... >> I have that pic too Gadge,the caption in my book says they are snipers from the Hermann Goring Div. in Bautzen in April 1945.
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Post by Fusilier on Dec 29, 2009 16:51:00 GMT -5
And yes,later in the War, German paras were issued Field division jackets and regular stahlhelms.
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Post by gadge on Dec 29, 2009 16:53:45 GMT -5
so with what he has:
"LFD Splinter tunic Luftwaffe blue/grey pants Fallschirmjager Helmet Fallschirmjaer K98 bandolier Jump boots two bread bags, One for food and what not, and the other is for my machinegunner impression, (i saw pictures of guys with one in the front for thier cleaning kit and spare rifle ammo) canteen mess tin"
its a passable transitional late war FJ loadout while he gets the extra bits?
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Post by gadge on Dec 29, 2009 16:55:44 GMT -5
Also if you are set on LFD remember that by late 43 when they came under the auspices of the regular army rather than the luftwaffe you see a lot of normal heer kit being used including feldgrau and items in army splinter. www.angelfire.com/tn3/luftwaffefeld/uniforms.html
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Post by soldatjakob on Dec 29, 2009 17:23:54 GMT -5
Wow, thanks for the information guys. For Christmas I rounded out most of my kit, and for now im using a JG SVD for a half assed passable G43 (MG-15 ist kaput) with no bipod of course and the setting for full auto removed
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Post by geostormz on Feb 9, 2010 0:37:02 GMT -5
Just a little FYI. During the last 18 months of the war, the many LFD were disband and roll into either the Heer or FJD. They retain most of their old equipments and were issue with gear according to their branch of service. Like most FJD form at the time were issue with FJ stuff even though most of the unit were former LFD with no jump qualification. I would assume that there would be a mix of equipment being use since there was a great shortage of raw materials at that stage. Here are my sources: Ellis, Christ; Verier, Mike. Elite Attack Forces: Airborne at War. Chartwell Book INC. 2007: 58-63 and ofcourse wikipedia
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