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Post by reese on Jul 12, 2006 11:26:10 GMT -5
I was at the past Lowell Tactical. Its one of the biggest blank battles in the Midwest for those of you who don't no. I noticed one thing lots and lots of Airborne. We can blame Band of Brothers for this. Don't get me wrong the a/b units played a great role in many battles but when half of the U.S. units there are 101st or 82nd thats a little extreme. I shouldn't bitch and moan about all the a/b, I myself being 101st 327th GIR. well at least i wasn't wearing the m42's. So i appeared as leg infantry which personally I prefer. I don't no if i am the only one that has realized the numbers of a/b steadily increasing. ATF can't ever seem to keep there 42's in stock because of the high demand. Hell what price glory even has a little section for airborne. It makes you wonder in 10 years will anyone even reenact the infantry. Maybe if we all get together and get Steven Spielberg to help us make a movie STRICTLY INFANTRY, we cant stop the oncoming farbness of ww2 battles, Germans VS. airborne.
my little rant... add your oppion if you wish
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Post by 101steasykid on Jul 12, 2006 11:39:58 GMT -5
haha yeah, im sad to say when i got the band of brothers box set, i was hooked on the 101st, but not to go airsofting, later i bought the video game Brothers in Arms and also was very interested, but i didnt know my stuff, later i had to do a book report about WWII so i picked the 101st, and all the applesauce they did, its wild. But people should be drawn to the movies and video games, most common units i know of that are airsoft is the Big Red One and 101st. well good post, found it very funny but true.
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Post by Jager.Drü on Jul 12, 2006 12:23:49 GMT -5
no it pretty much airbore vs. SS a lot of the germans and doing ss impressions. True there are a lot that don't, but still we are over ran by SS
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Post by TastesLikeChicken on Jul 12, 2006 21:41:28 GMT -5
i honestly dont understand what the attraction is to the SS. what made them better than the regular heer units? i mean i know they were hitlers personal army, but other than that i dont know the real difference
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Post by Jager.Drü on Jul 13, 2006 1:30:55 GMT -5
or the Luftwaffe FJs, yeah I quess they had it better, they got first pick of everything
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Post by Si1encer on Jul 13, 2006 4:07:41 GMT -5
Well everyone wants to be different or better. And these days everyone wants to be special forces. I think thats why people go for the ss. I myself love airborne ever since i read a fictional ww2 book back when i was like 7 or something. Been hooked on the 101st or more the 82nd now since then. Now that everyone is going airborne i may just have to do infantry (sigh). But then again it would be fun to have an infantry impression for every single main country (and greece).
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Post by mauser98k on Jul 13, 2006 17:21:06 GMT -5
If you want to be elite forces do USMC before flags of our fathers comes out, so you won't be a "follower"
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Post by TommyGunner on Jul 13, 2006 18:16:30 GMT -5
Let it be known I was doing USMC before Flags of our fathers, I shall not be a follower for when I did it it was rare to find another doing it too, I have done it becasue no one elase was .
TommyGunner
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Post by Capt. Zak on Jul 13, 2006 20:18:49 GMT -5
Eventually we will restrict impressions to actual periods and locations. For example...you'd never see a marine fighting in the ETO. ;D
But for right now since we are somewhat starved for members, especially ones with weapons, we are very accomodating. 100% historical accuracy is what we eventually striving for. ;D
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Post by 5thrangerinfantry on Jul 14, 2006 7:33:46 GMT -5
they didnt fight, but there were marines at normandy.....
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Post by 101steasykid on Jul 14, 2006 23:29:56 GMT -5
im pretty sure there were marines, they went out i think before the invasion to like disarm some traps that were set to stop the tanks, i think it was on the history channel, im not sure. but i do know they were escorts with marines on them to defend the ships in the channels.
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Post by savoy6 on Jul 15, 2006 21:42:00 GMT -5
most naval vessels from cruisers on up had a Marine Detatchment on board for use as security and as a landing party.some marines were present with some NCDU units that were there for obstacle disposal.
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Post by tanker44 on Aug 4, 2006 15:41:21 GMT -5
We seem to have the Marines covered but what about the Japs! I have been doing a Marine impression for ten years now. We can stand around and look at each other but I want to shoot at some Japs! Even the officers like me want to get in the thick of it with the regular grunts. I will leave my clusters at home. Bring me some Japs!!
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Post by mauser98k on Aug 4, 2006 19:58:42 GMT -5
We had around 6 at fort mac this year, the rest couldn't come out. I think last year had about 20.
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Post by TommyGunner on Aug 4, 2006 21:45:43 GMT -5
Eventually we will restrict impressions to actual periods and locations. For example...you'd never see a marine fighting in the ETO. ;D But for right now since we are somewhat starved for members, especially ones with weapons, we are very accomodating. 100% historical accuracy is what we eventually striving for. ;D Exactly thats why I joined the Rangers So i can do ETO and not look wierd at events, plus I have been looking for a european HBT set and thats basically all I need to make the transition (but I still love the marines and wont soon give that impression up) TommyGunner
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Post by gunfreak on Aug 5, 2006 4:18:37 GMT -5
I chose AB because i knew that if WW2 airsoft ever got of it's feet most guys would be airbone. and i like all the little nicknacks, like M1 scabard, M3 knife, gloves, rope. and all that stuff.
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Post by 101st all the way! on Aug 8, 2006 15:37:40 GMT -5
I think people should do whatever impression they want
1. Its their money they can do whatever they want with it
2. Diffrent people are attracted to diffrent things.
3. If you start making certain restrictions you'll lose people.
4. Either way you are keeping World War Two History Alive
5. If you try to seperate ETO from PTO that wouldn't go over too well since most of you guys are ETO the PTO men wouldn't stand a chance, and there are no jap weapons.
Another most likely reason people do SS or Airborne isn't just because there elite its because they are cut throat and kick butt! Mostly its the number of tours of duty they pulled, and you never here about the other units because of this.
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Post by mauser98k on Aug 8, 2006 16:25:55 GMT -5
That is true, but also, if you are all the same, the little guys will die off, and then the public will think the 101st won the war against Hitler's mighty SS. We need to spread out the units, and don't flame me as this is only my opinion.
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Post by 5thrangerinfantry on Aug 8, 2006 21:25:33 GMT -5
Mostly its the number of tours of duty they pulled, and you never here about the other units because of this. Um...what exactly do you mean? the 101st saw a lot less months of combat than, well.....all the units invloved in N. Africa and the MTO.....
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Post by Nimlas on Aug 8, 2006 21:34:20 GMT -5
I believe the 101st had about like 7 months collective combat time, that's alot less than alot of other US army units.
" Different people are attracted to different things." Or everybody is attracted to BOB.
"If you start making certain restrictions you'll lose people." Yes that's inevitably going to happen, but that's not necessarily bad thing. Some people will never get correct impressions or period guns, and they'll just drag the whole thing down after a while. How would you like it if 3 years from now you still saw people running around with M16's at a WWII game?
"5. If you try to separate ETO from PTO that wouldn't go over too well since most of you guys are ETO the PTO men wouldn't stand a chance, and there are no jap weapons." Of course they won't stand a chance, until there's some Japanese weapons('cept for the Nambu). But they should have taken that into consideration when they decided to be a Marine.
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Post by CharleyNovember on Aug 8, 2006 22:01:53 GMT -5
1. Its their money they can do whatever they want with it Yes it is enjoy your hobby the way you want to. You should portray whatever unit you like even if it is popular. Or go ahead and pick something a little more obscure. 3. If you start making certain restrictions you'll lose people.Some restrictions are neccessary. However at this juncture most people agree you can't make people stick to only the right units at the right battles. Later on that would be nice though. repro weapons are not that wide spread yet though at least for Axis. Fudging with a m16 is ok if that is all you have but if you are doing Allies you should get an allied weapon there are a few choices and you are lucky bastards! 4. Either way you are keeping World War Two History AliveAmen 5. If you try to seperate ETO from PTO that wouldn't go over too well since most of you guys are ETO the PTO men wouldn't stand a chance, and there are no jap weapons.PTO can be approximated...not to the stnadards of this group but it can be done till there are more people that are interested in doing a good impression from both sides.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Aug 12, 2006 23:30:27 GMT -5
I agree with Dan on the long standing argument here about standards. For me it's about the effort and at this stage just reasonable approximations are big steps in the right direction. When people are around folks with increasingly complete and accurate impressions if they are of like mind they naturally want to emulate them. It takes time and as we all know it's expensive. It frustrates me when interested people opt not to come to a scheduled event because they don't feel like their impression has reached an acceptable level. There's usually folks that can supplement whatever folks have and get just about anyone making a reasonable effort up to a fairly decent standard. Weapons for WW2 are still far too unavailable and expensive to expect widespread use and still see a reasonable turnout.
The argument is, would I rather have a gathering of five guys all perfectly equipped and with impressions that are without compromise or a turnout of 30 to 50 that look pretty darn good so we can actually skirmish and run some kind of reasonable battle? I opt for the latter but that doesn't make the other point of view wrong. I'm of the belief that if you build it and hold it they will come. If people keep coming back with ever improving impressions and weaponry you know you're headed in the right direction. If you keep trying and no ones shows and you repeatedly see folks who've made the effort leaving the hobby because there just isn't any growth you need to rething your standards or event offering.
Our WW2 events keep growing and keep looking better and better and currently rival reenactor groups in size and quality. We welome anyone who makes an honest effort and strives to look right and refrain from the (in my opinion) obnoxious phrase Flaggrantly Wrong.
At this stage in this hobby we can't afford to drive away interested players with a snobbish attitude or elitist mindset. What consititutes a minimum standard is up to each group but sometimes when I read some of the posts it makes the hair stand up on the back of my neck cause we all too often sound like the snobs at the military vehicle club or local reenactor groups that drove me away from both hobbies with their attitudes and unwelcoming tone. For the most part this is a wonderful site with lots of helpful and genuine responses to new folks questions. This community will continue to grow and thrive if we keep an inviting attitude.
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Post by YankeeDiv26 on Aug 14, 2006 14:51:21 GMT -5
wow truly beautifuly said . but seriously hit the nail on the head with that one
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Post by 101st all the way! on Aug 14, 2006 15:55:23 GMT -5
Yes thats basically what i was trying to say before we can't act too snobish or were screwed especially to the younger crowd. For me at least its hard to make money with sports and other activities I'm involved in. Us teens are also trying to save for a car. Well at least I am anyway.
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Post by YankeeDiv26 on Aug 14, 2006 21:57:10 GMT -5
yeah i can relate to it. although i will admit im pretty self sufficient as far as funds go. i actually own a small landscaping company with a crew of about 3 er 4 guys who work for me. nevertheless trying to afford all this equiptment is no easy task for a 15 year old like myself. if you want to go all out dead on impressions then you can get yourself wayy in the red
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