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Post by charleyfoxtrot on Jul 17, 2006 22:38:58 GMT -5
I was wondering if the US forces used any other sniper rifles in any kind of number besides the 1903 and Garand. Like did they ever use Enfields, or the Mas?
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Post by 2ndranger on Jul 17, 2006 23:10:25 GMT -5
I believe they used M1 Carbines, correct me if Im wrong.
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Post by mauser98k on Jul 17, 2006 23:10:47 GMT -5
The garand sniper rifle really wasn't introduced 'til vey late 45 if I am correct, if it saw service in ww2 at all that is.
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Post by Nimlas on Jul 18, 2006 6:24:51 GMT -5
Shutze-An M1 carbine doesn't have nearly enough power or accuracy to be used as a sniper rifle. It's just a pistol round. The bullet actually has more power than a magnum but it's still not powerful enough to snipe with. You might be thinking of the Korean War M2 carbine with the starlight scope? I'm pretty sure it was the spring feild 1903 throughout most if not all the war. Like Mauser said, I don't think the Garand sniper variants were introduced until Korea? **edit** "Neither sniper version of the M1 saw any significant use in W.W.II" www.jouster.com/articles30m1/Variations.htmlIt says it was an article from the CMP news letter and I think those chaps know Garands.
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Post by 5thrangerinfantry on Jul 18, 2006 10:29:44 GMT -5
The M1-D garand may have been introduced too late in the war to do anything, but I read somewhere that in the pacific, a shipment on 1903's were destroyed by a bomber and as a result the marine unit had to side mount the scopes onto some garands - some guys didnt even use the scopes at all. I know that one 'sniper' for Charlie Co 5th Rangers used a springfield and no scope at all throughout the entire war.
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Post by charleyfoxtrot on Jul 18, 2006 16:34:09 GMT -5
I guess specifically I would like to know if the US used the Enfield as a sniper rifle during the war?
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Post by Gordak on Jul 18, 2006 17:26:03 GMT -5
the top sniper of all time(a Finn), used iron sights also. -Gordak
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jul 18, 2006 22:49:39 GMT -5
Negative on the Enfield as used by US snipers. As no doubt mentioned repeatedly throughout this and other airsoft boards airsoft and snipe rifles are such incredibly anachronistic terms. The range and especially the accuracy of even the most pimped out and upgraded airsoft rifle verses a stock AEG is minimal at best.
When you're dealing with such paltry jouels of power and a round projectile in such light weights it's truly embarrasing to discover how little additional range and accuracy one gets. I know it's a mind set and a fantasy but unless you know that going in and are okay with it don't bother.
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Post by charleyfoxtrot on Jul 21, 2006 18:21:39 GMT -5
True, but I have a thing for the bolt action. The real shotgun is one and I have a turkish mauser. There is something very satisfying about that bolt slamming home and clicking in place. Beside most of my kills are one or two bbs even with my M16.
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Post by TastesLikeChicken on Jul 21, 2006 23:40:08 GMT -5
the top sniper of all time(a Finn), used iron sights also. -Gordak didnt the finns use a modified mosin Nagant?
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Post by fennrisulfr on Jul 22, 2006 0:15:56 GMT -5
The Finns maufactuered their own Mosin Nagant rifle, the M28, which was in many ways superior to the Russian model, when they were under Russian control. During the wars between the Finns and Russians, many Mosins were captured by the Finns and rearsenaled for their army (M39). I have a prime example of a Mosin 1891 (M91, not the M91/30) dated 1899 that has the Imperial Russian arsenal stamps but also Finnish army stamps, "SA", as well as other Russian markings stamped out and remarked with Finnish when it was captured.
So, to answer your question, yes. The Finns used a modified design of the Mosin Nagant in the M28. It had a shorter and heavier barrel, improved trigger, single piece extracor/spring, shorter stock, improved rear and front sights, forward and rear hand guard bands were held in place by screws and not springs, the M28 bayonet is similar to the typical mauser bayonet in appearance, and the bore diameter was typically in the .308 range. The famous Finnish sniper Simo Häyhä used the M28 in the Winter War.
The M39, however, was actually Russian captured M91's rebuilt with new barrels, sights, and stocks to meet the Finnish army specifications.
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