29ththerealpimps
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3rd Armored Division 32nd Armored Regiment 83rd Recon Battalion
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Post by 29ththerealpimps on Nov 13, 2006 21:53:27 GMT -5
Does anyone know where i can buy a litter strap? I am gonna use it with my medic bags. I have a yoke but I only have one bag with bandages. I thought theres no use in carrying an empty bag.
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Nimlas
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Post by Nimlas on Nov 13, 2006 22:02:11 GMT -5
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29ththerealpimps
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3rd Armored Division 32nd Armored Regiment 83rd Recon Battalion
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Post by 29ththerealpimps on Nov 13, 2006 22:15:45 GMT -5
I would buy it from them but isn't their stuff OD
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Russian
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Post by Russian on Nov 13, 2006 22:19:35 GMT -5
Isnt OD just as acceptable? Have you ever read the rants on Atthefront? Correct me if I am wrong, puh-leeze, but, nearly all gear mis matched in color, due to it coming from numerous different contracted factories, using different dies. Again, correct me if wrong, but, OD and Khaki in most smaller gear pieces are interchangable.
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Post by Go4Broke on Nov 14, 2006 4:17:34 GMT -5
I think the picture on the ww2 imp site was taken in poor lighting thus it looked like OD7, but Russian hit the nail on the head; you shouldn't really worry too much about OD3 vs OD7. And besides WW2imp in general makes some of the best gear out there, I daresay you can't go wrong with almost all their stuff.
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Post by fennrisulfr on Nov 15, 2006 14:35:55 GMT -5
To be historically accurate you really should worry about OD3 vs OD7 when it matters. Do your research! There are times when you shouldn't have any OD7 and many many times when OD7 is perfectly fine, including D-Day. Also, there were very few QM items that were truly khaki - Almost everything was either OD#3 or OD#7, which are just varying shades of "green" (just to clear things up). As mentioned, WWII Imps lighting is always very dark and it's hard to tell exactly what color they are. Shoot Juan an email to get a definite answer. None the less, they make top quality stuff.
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Post by mauser98k on Nov 15, 2006 18:48:34 GMT -5
I have been to his warehouse and have seen his medic equipment. The straps are OD#3. I've seen original OD#7 medical bags, so even if they were OD#7 I wouldn't worry. There WERE uniforms and gear that were OD#7 before D-Day, it isn't a myth. I have an OD 28 pack, 1942 OD leggings, OD ww1 canteen cover, etc. etc.
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Post by fennrisulfr on Nov 16, 2006 1:07:35 GMT -5
Again, just because it existed doesn't mean your unit used it. Find the unit you are portraying and research the hell out of it. It can't be stressed enough to research, research, research!
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Post by 5thrangerinfantry on Nov 16, 2006 9:55:10 GMT -5
Again, just because it existed doesn't mean your unit used it. Find the unit you are portraying and research the hell out of it. It can't be stressed enough to research, research, research! Back then, a strap was a strap and pack was a pack. It didnt matter what color it was, or what its official name was. ( We actually asked the 5th Ranger vets if they had 41 jackets only or if they got the 43 jackets and they had no idea what we were talking about. They did tell us about their 'windbreakers' and 'drawstring jackets' though.) There is no record of what units got what color item or anything like that. If you go by pictures, you'll find that oyu miss alot of stuff. 1) B&W pics dont show the actual color, so items that are ver different may appear similar or similar items may appear different based on lighting, camera movement, position of the person in the pic, and a million other different things. 2) the unit I represent - 5th Ranger BN, Charlie Co. - has virtually no original pics of men in their combat gear with the exception of D-day. So how would I 'research' when they started getting OD7 stuff? We do have contact with the vets themselves and the S&D organization and, to put it simply, it was what it was - they never paid attention to the color. To them, OD3 and OD7 were the same thing. 3) Back to the B&W pics. I have an original khaki haversack with dark OD trim. I had it for over a year before I new that. The color had faded a lot, so I didnt know that the color was different untill the whole pack got soaking wet. When its dry, it would look just like a completely OD3 haversack, difficult to spot in a color pic, let alone B&W.... 4) There was never a military record of any designation 'OD3' or 'OD7' Those are collector/reenactor terms. 5) A haversack was a haversack also applies to the model of haversack. In 1944, some guys were turning in worn out gear and being given WW1 haversacks and cartridge belts. 6) There were actually items pre-war that were just as dark as the post-war stuff. If you look at the paint on vehicles, the pre/early paint and the late/post war paint was darker that the mid war paint. It was all the same color to them whether it was webgear or a jeep. 7) What can we do if we finally find pictoral evidence of something? Tell ourselves we cant do it anyway, cuz its only one pic and we need to 'represent the norm, not the exception'? 8) What happens if we find a pic of a guy wearing something that he borrowed just for a few minutes so the pic could be taken? Add it to the impression? fennrisulfr, I dont want to come across like I am attacking you or saying that research is not important, so if that's what it feels like when you read this, I'm sorry. That was not my intention. I've heard so many people get so specific on researching things that are virtually impossible to research without having been there. What he should be researching is whether or not his medical unit used straps or yokes, not what color they were...... .....sorry for the long winded post, got a little carried away......
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Post by fennrisulfr on Nov 16, 2006 11:13:08 GMT -5
You bring up some very true points, and honestly, I know nothing of medical personnel, but from reenacting both CW and WWII, I do know that research is one of the most important things we can do - and It never stops. We are always learning new things, reading new books, finding new photographic evidence, etc. That partly why I enjoy reenacting. Like you said, you definitely don't want to base anything off -one- picture. You must combine many pictures with much reading to formulate what the "norm" is. After doing this, it is very easy to pick out a soldier who is "wearing something he borrowed just for a few minutes so the pic could be taken." Like you said, though, some things are impossible to research. And when I said that just because it existed doesn't mean a unit used it, I didn't mean that they choose to use it or not. What I was trying to say was whether is was available to them for use in the first place.
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Post by 5thrangerinfantry on Nov 16, 2006 12:27:30 GMT -5
Good point.
I agree. I was mostly just venting at the trouble with B&W photos.....
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