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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2006 19:52:45 GMT -5
i know this is another hated question. but i received a m42 i purchased for about 100 bucks. it was god awful. the color is just crappy and i cant even look at it. what is the most authentic looking m42 a retailer sells?
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Post by 2ndranger on Dec 6, 2006 20:30:47 GMT -5
Atthefront is a good retailer their m43's are incredibly durable so their M42's dont look to bad either.
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Post by Nimlas on Dec 6, 2006 20:43:22 GMT -5
I've never been dissapointed with anything I've gotten for Rollin at ATF. His costumer service is great, and he's actually not a d!ck in person.
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Post by themango on Dec 6, 2006 20:43:35 GMT -5
I have heard good things about their import M42s. They're very cheap in price but are great in quality. check out the WWII reenactors forum. There are numerous topics about M42s
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2006 21:02:54 GMT -5
Thanks alot fellas, looks like im going the ATF route. thanks again! -matt
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Post by fennrisulfr on Dec 6, 2006 21:52:18 GMT -5
I've owned both ATF's Import (reinforced) and USA made (unreinforced) M42s. I can tell you the imports are great for the price if you need a cheap, durable, and accurate M42, but if you have the money to spare the USA made M42s are just wonderful! The color is spot on, they are extremely well made, and they fit great. Several guys in my unit have the WW2Imp M42s and they love them, but personally, they are too pea green for me. M42s came in a wide variety of shades due to the many manufacturers at the time. Here is a quote from Juan at WW2Imp - "We reproduce our jumpsuits in a shade that WE desire to make, not nearly because it is authentic."
Just something to think about.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Dec 7, 2006 4:25:55 GMT -5
I get a kick out of reanactors bitching about shade. It's a real hoot. So many of them have their own strong opinions about what's right and what's wrong and which movie uniforms suck and ya da ya da yada. I just want to puke sometimes. I realize it's the nature of our hobby to want to sound like an expert or something but really having carefully reviewed color film from the war and looking closely at jump suits in museums from the Infantry museum at Benning to the Special Forces museum at Ft Bragg, the D-Day museum in Normandy, New Orleans and lots and lots of others, trust me there is no Correct shade. The variations are literally all over the map from very very light tan to mustard orange almost, it's an argument thats' just verbal masterbation as far as I'm concerned. With literally millions of men at arms for all the major belligerents and hundreds of resources for dyes and materials shade is such a goofy thing to get all bent over. Especially for US uniforms where there was so much variation right out of the factory. Add what happens to the shade in the field and following use and ...you get my point. I realize this won't be a popular post but it's the way I feel.
I hear the argument that we have to do it right for the veterans. I've yet to meet one yet, myself included who wasn't knocked out with the effort extended and frankly get a little put off by the whole elitism. The other point I want to make as I'm on my little rant. When you ask a vet about gear, remember that odds are they won't remember or probably never knew the nomenclature of the piece of gear or uniform you're asking about and you know so much about. Especially if you use the technical terms for it versus what it may have been called at the time.
I had someone a few years ago ask me if I had the first pattern or second pattern jungle fatigues or used the M-56 gear. When I was in country did I get issued ERTLs? did I have the Y pattern or H pattern harness, Which style ruck did I have? (And then proceeded to name the four possible variations) At the time I was asked all this I had no idea what any of that was. I never referred to my uniforms by pattern type and I had two pairs of them issued but never heard the term ERTL until years afterwards. We just called em jungle fatigues, full battle rattle and ripstop cammies. As for the rucksack, son I have no idea what type classification it was, it was just a ruck!
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Post by Nimlas on Dec 7, 2006 6:48:34 GMT -5
Awww shucks, these original jumpsuit's are the wrong shade of khaki! I think I'll send a complaint to the war department! It's not even khaki, it's OD#3, which is not khaki.
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Post by Capt. Zak on Dec 7, 2006 7:42:37 GMT -5
Nimlas...DYE THOSE UNIFORMS THE CORRECT SHADE WILL YOU! Every soldier matched in WWII.
Now, with that said, I carry the M42 that Sturm produces. Just as durable as the ATF M42's. And unlike Rollin, I give a discount to WW2AA forum members. ;D
A word of caution, a lot of vendors "claim" their stuff is made in the USA and charge more for it. In reality, most of this stuff is coming from overseas. I can charge you more and tell you it's made in the USA if you'd like, so let me know. ;D
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2006 7:51:25 GMT -5
well its not so much i dont like my uniform color its just really crappy, its got like silver buttons? which ive never seen before. mine just seems crappy altogether. i used to have a decent one but it was to small and i sold it to 2nd bat.
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Post by Capt. Zak on Dec 7, 2006 8:31:06 GMT -5
The M42's I carry do not have silver buttons. Drop me a PM if you'd like. We can discuss it more there.
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Post by Guinness on Dec 8, 2006 0:32:14 GMT -5
I got a match- My face and your bu.........wait that's not what I meant.... BTW, I happen to know for a fact that our own Capt. Zak am teh bestest re-tail-er of M42's cuz I am gots one! -G
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Post by 2nd Bat on Dec 8, 2006 17:45:06 GMT -5
I promptly sold the M-42 I got from you to one of our local guys who felt like I yanked it out from under him on the boards and had been looking for one. It was quite nicely done. Who was the manufacturer of that M-42 tunic? It's nice that we have several choices for suppliers now and that the price of uniforms has come down so far.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2006 21:09:35 GMT -5
it is unknown, my father said he got off ebay, still not sure what it is. i like it though
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Post by themango on Dec 9, 2006 21:27:54 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2006 21:46:21 GMT -5
yea i think it is. i didnt get a flag or a patch? liars!
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Post by 2nd Bat on Dec 10, 2006 20:03:09 GMT -5
That's funny I didn't either on the M-42 I bought from overseas! Oh well.
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Post by Burke on Dec 10, 2006 21:22:03 GMT -5
Where can I get a set of M42's or 43's for the cheapest without suffering from craptastic quiality. I had a set I got off ebay but my car broke and i had to sellem.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2006 21:24:24 GMT -5
capt. zak has the best quality m42's! let the man himself take care of you. shoot him a pm and you want be sorry. dont settle for garbage that is thin and junk.
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Post by Capt. Zak on Dec 11, 2006 1:20:29 GMT -5
I have great M42's...but they are about $160.00 for a set. They are not the thin "cheese cloth" material that some of these HK sets are. Sometimes I feel like I am talking to the walls.
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Post by Tough Ombre on Dec 15, 2006 12:19:41 GMT -5
Where can I get a set of M42's or 43's for the cheapest without suffering from craptastic quiality. I had a set I got off ebay but my car broke and i had to sellem. Well for M43's, you can buy original jackets off of ebay really cheap, i have bought a few and they are alwasy real nice, and original. As for the pants, either ATF, or What Price Glory has them a little cheaper then ATF i think. ww2reenactors.proboards35.com/index.cgi?board=vendor&action=display&thread=1162262175Also i have an ATF import 42, and i like it, if you do get one from him the only thing i advise is replace the zipper, you can buy original ones off ebay, but the zipper is just too damn cheap, but the overal quality is superb, you will not be able to tell the difference just looking at it. -Cary P.S. I also love how us reenactors get w/ khaki color, i mean the dames are whaky for kahki, but i defiantly dont care what shade it is, yet some of those guys get anal.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2006 13:29:45 GMT -5
come on guys, help out the captain! CAPT. Zak is the place to go for authentic ww2 uniforms!
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Post by Jager.Drü on Dec 15, 2006 13:50:12 GMT -5
I second that, I get all my stuff from him
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Post by Capt. Zak on Dec 15, 2006 22:58:20 GMT -5
come on guys, help out the captain! CAPT. Zak is the place to go for authentic ww2 uniforms! They really are helping themselves if they shop with me. I don't turn a profit. Every dime I make goes to cover the cost of new & expanding inventory.
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Post by gunfreak on Dec 21, 2006 11:10:22 GMT -5
i got my M42 form Zak, and couldn't be happier, great uniform
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Post by Tough Ombre on Dec 25, 2006 23:46:44 GMT -5
Capt Zak were you at Rockford 06? I dont recall seeing you there, and i ended up getting a 42 from Rollin. -Cary
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2006 0:14:18 GMT -5
i got my M42 form Zak, and couldn't be happier, great uniform while i dont have his m42 but ive ordered other things, its spectacular! ill be visiting him again. everyone should buy from zak! -matt
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Post by caffrey on Dec 31, 2006 6:57:32 GMT -5
I hear the argument that we have to do it right for the veterans. I've yet to meet one yet, myself included who wasn't knocked out with the effort extended and frankly get a little put off by the whole elitism. The other point I want to make as I'm on my little rant. When you ask a vet about gear, remember that odds are they won't remember or probably never knew the nomenclature of the piece of gear or uniform you're asking about and you know so much about. Especially if you use the technical terms for it versus what it may have been called at the time. Haha. Most veterans cannot ever remember the rank system! War is something people do because they have to. Few people remember such technical specifics in the Army. We, on the other hand, research and enjoy doing just that! Ask any currently serving person in the Army today what model trousers they are wearing, the date of pattern approval on his helmet, or even the manufacturer of his shirt! How many can answer such silly questions?? It's all simply the Battle Dress Uniform... or Army Combat Uniform... Class As... Class Bs... etc In WW2, they never thought they were wearing a M1942 pattern convertable collar, worsted-wool OD service shirt with 15 bakelight buttons, 3 gas flaps, and made in 14 January 1944 by Virginia Wollen Company... it was just a shirt. Collectors started all the terminology. And you're a FARB if you don't know it!
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Post by Capt. Zak on Dec 31, 2006 19:30:15 GMT -5
Capt Zak were you at Rockford 06? I dont recall seeing you there, and i ended up getting a 42 from Rollin. -Cary Yes I was. I was the 11.SS Feldgendarmerie Trupp that had the checkpoint set up at the entrance to the German camp. However...I spent most of the weekend as a Luftwaffe Feldgendarmerie in my tropical uniform. I did fight Saturday as SS. I was in a killer hand to hand combat skirmish with one of the Polish Lancers in the town battle. The crowd & the MP's on hand thought it was real. ;D
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