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Post by spitfire740 on Dec 16, 2006 23:25:00 GMT -5
I have been curious as to how the E-tool is carried on the belt. I just hook it through my pistol belt, but whenever I take a step, the shovel bounces off of my leg and it gets very annoying. I thought perhaps it was worn on the side, but I haven't seen too many photos of the shovel on the side. Was it tied to the leg with a leg-tie? Any help is greatly appreciated.
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Post by mauser98k on Dec 17, 2006 12:29:53 GMT -5
It was worn on the left side of the belt, or put on the haversack.
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Post by Tough Ombre on Dec 17, 2006 13:06:38 GMT -5
There is not one set side for it to be worn on, guys put it on either the left or right hip, or directly in the back, or if you have a haversack they sometimes wear it on there, yet they would also wear it on the belt too, sometimes directly in the back. If you are a paratrooper wear it on the hip, either side, and then put the handle under your leg tie, that work perfectly. -Cary
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Post by mauser98k on Dec 17, 2006 13:29:49 GMT -5
It was not often put on the back of the belt. They put in on their hip for easy access, left for righties and right for lefties. And yes, the paras used leg ties to hold down theirs, and also cut them down.
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Post by spitfire740 on Dec 17, 2006 15:11:28 GMT -5
I think mauser is right, it just isn't practical when it is worn directly behind. It bounces off the legs when you run or even step for that matter.
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Post by Tough Ombre on Dec 17, 2006 18:09:36 GMT -5
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Post by guitarmaster on Dec 17, 2006 18:33:34 GMT -5
I have heard of paratroopers wearing it on their mussette bag but i am not sure how.
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Post by mauser98k on Dec 17, 2006 19:49:43 GMT -5
There are either very late war or post war musette bags with grommets on the flap.(Pretty sure it's late war) That's how.
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Post by Russian on Dec 17, 2006 22:39:41 GMT -5
Does that mean that the mussette bag with the grommets on the front was a airborne item only, or infatry to?
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Post by Tough Ombre on Dec 17, 2006 22:43:29 GMT -5
it was just a late war version. The 44, and 45 pack poth had gromets, in the places the Haversack would. Also late war mussette bags had grommets on the side flap, i think originally ment for a bayonett im sure. -Cary
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2006 23:37:32 GMT -5
i wear my folding e-tool on my left buttock(ha) and ive never had a problem with it! whenever i tried to put it on my left side with a leg tie i would jump down and it would become wierd. this is just my opinion but left buttock works well for me.
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Post by 29ththerealpimps on Dec 18, 2006 20:10:28 GMT -5
Is that guy in front of the guy wearing his shovel on the front wearin an aussalt vest or just completely stuffed his pockets on his m43?
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Post by mauser98k on Dec 18, 2006 20:19:51 GMT -5
His pockets seem to be very well loved.
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Post by Tough Ombre on Dec 18, 2006 21:43:10 GMT -5
haha ya, looks like Krations in the pockets, you could tell the top defiantly has k rats, not sure bought the bottome pockets, could be the same. -Cary
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Post by guitarmaster on Dec 18, 2006 23:04:38 GMT -5
It looks like the shovel doesnt have a cover maybe he just slid it under is belt.
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Post by spitfire740 on Dec 18, 2006 23:15:25 GMT -5
It looks like a folding shovel and he just folded it over the belt.
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Post by TommyGunner on Dec 19, 2006 13:14:13 GMT -5
Since I like to wear my musset bag with the strap over my shoulder and dont usually like to wear my Haversack I simply sitck my M1910 entrenching tool in the back of my pistol belt like so, I have never had a problem with it getting in the way and barly notice it. TommyGunner
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Post by phantom12321 on Dec 19, 2006 18:35:07 GMT -5
since we are on the topic, what was the timeline (early war-midwar- latewar) for the t-handle vs. the folding shovel? I'm aimed at a mid war with the 45thID so which would be right for that?
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Post by Nimlas on Dec 19, 2006 18:38:48 GMT -5
Get a T-handle. M1943 shovels didn't show up until D-day at the earliest.
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Post by Tough Ombre on Dec 19, 2006 22:08:23 GMT -5
ya t-handle defiantly. i was gonna tell you to get both for when you do a late war battle, i almost forgott this was airsoft, not reenacting haha. Tough time switchin over. -Cary
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Post by Nimlas on Dec 19, 2006 22:11:22 GMT -5
ya t-handle defiantly. i was gonna tell you to get both for when you do a late war battle, i almost forgott this was airsoft, not reenacting haha. Tough time switchin over. -Cary So, we have late war events too. So what if it's airsoft, how does that limit us to mid or early war? You're going to have an even more difficult time if you take up the 'holier than thou' reenactor additude, many of us here are ex-reenactors, and some of us still are.
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Post by phantom12321 on Dec 19, 2006 23:41:28 GMT -5
yeah, I'll get the T-handle for now, I'm trying to break into normal reenacting soon too so I'll get the other one later. That is IF JEFF EVER GETS BACK TO ME!! GRRR! JK
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Post by Tough Ombre on Dec 20, 2006 13:36:25 GMT -5
ya t-handle defiantly. i was gonna tell you to get both for when you do a late war battle, i almost forgott this was airsoft, not reenacting haha. Tough time switchin over. -Cary So, we have late war events too. So what if it's airsoft, how does that limit us to mid or early war? You're going to have an even more difficult time if you take up the 'holier than thou' reenactor additude, many of us here are ex-reenactors, and some of us still are. i didnt mean it like that, i dont even reenact lol, i just ment that how he was talkin i thought he ment he was goin for only a mid war impression, also i didnt know you guys did know you guys did scenarios like that, i thought i was just the ww2 version of airsoft . Sorry if i came off like that. (btw i really want to get into ww2 airsoft, maybe after i get my impression done) -Cary
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Post by phantom12321 on Dec 20, 2006 14:09:56 GMT -5
Tommygunner, doesn't that placement of the shovel create an issue if you were to sit down? say on a troop truck or in a foxhole?
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Post by Nimlas on Dec 20, 2006 17:55:31 GMT -5
No hard feelings there M14 ;D
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Post by Tough Ombre on Dec 20, 2006 21:50:44 GMT -5
i like your avatar nimlas! -Cary
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Post by 29ththerealpimps on Dec 20, 2006 22:47:06 GMT -5
Hey charlie if jeremiah sat down I'd say the shovel would just move up his back. But that would be very uncomfortable
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Post by TommyGunner on Dec 20, 2006 23:19:40 GMT -5
First let me start off by saying in the Chicago games here there simply has yet to be enough time to dig holes during battle to justify my bringing a shovel into battle.
Well usually when I fight I dont take my shovel with me, (infact I dont take most of my gear with me) I have four types of gear set up's for fighting, I use for practicality.
70% of the time I never fight with full gear its simply too bulky and Im not too much of a fan of having to move around in it, but when I do take me gear its when we dont plan on going back to the original starting point for the rest of the game or will be in the field for an indefinate/extended period of time with no possiblility of returing till the job is finished.
Normally when I have the ability to leave my gear at base I do, and when we go out on an operation where I know it will be more intense than a patrol like a strike, but I will be able to return to base I wear only a spare pistol belt with my Musset bag (with essentials inside) on a strap and a full Thompson Mag Bag of ammo (barrowed from Mills) and a canteen of water.
For a patrol I leave everything at base except for a spare pistol belt and the Thompson Mag Bag. Plus a pistol if I can barrow one and the mag pouch for it.
When defending a base I usually wear the same set up I do for when Im out on a strike. If Im in a fox hole I never have my shovel on me, but with all my stuff beside me in the hole.
In short I have yet to encounter a situation where I have to sit down with my shovel in my belt, simply because I take it out before I do, (and its kinda hard to sit down in my full gear anyway so I avoid it) Really its more of a place to store it when moving.
Hope this helps.
TommyGunner
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Post by caffrey on Dec 31, 2006 5:43:04 GMT -5
You can place the shovel wherever you want! On your belt, on your haversack, on your boots... As long as it's comfortable to the wearer.
For training purposes there's ALWAYS a prescribed place for every piece of gear you wear. But in combat, all textbook regulation goes out the window. Wear it wherever is most convenient.
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