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Post by polak on Dec 24, 2006 16:37:40 GMT -5
I'm contmeplating on buying an 1897 "Trench Gun," as it was used not only in the first and second World Wars, but also in the Vietnam conflict, another genre in which I reenact. I would like to know if it would be worth my while to buy this weapon, as I know its only purpose would be for close quarters combat, and the shells (which cost a ton) are a huge hassle to pick up after firing rounds at the enemy while trying to advance.
Of course, I could just buy another Grease Gun, have it break, and repeat.
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Post by guitarmaster on Dec 24, 2006 18:36:49 GMT -5
Probably not but its your money do what you want. I personally don't no about the guns because i dont have one but you could find a way to catch the shells like and ejector bag thing.
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Post by Nimlas on Dec 24, 2006 18:39:26 GMT -5
Nope, It's a silly gun you can't really use because of the shell ejection, and they were only used in the PTO.
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Post by imaheretic on Dec 24, 2006 18:41:19 GMT -5
It's a lovely replica, but it is not worth it for skirmishing, it shoots for applesauce and sounds like someone putting the finger in their mouth, making a popping noise then blowing. Get yourself an AEG Garand , or wait for the BAR
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Post by wade on Dec 24, 2006 19:22:57 GMT -5
The money spent on the Trench gun could be better spent towards a Thompson, plus some extras for it.
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Post by polak on Dec 24, 2006 19:27:37 GMT -5
Mmh, that blows. I own a real one, and they're fantastic. Funny, because the one I own holds more ammunition, too. It was either that or the Garand, and way too many people who do WW2 Airsoft USGI impressions carry the Thompson. So, I guess I'll have to save up some more.
And Nimlas, they were used in the ETO, though this reference is only from a picture I have of my uncle while he was in Italy. One of the folks next to him has a slinged 1897.
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Post by 5thrangerinfantry on Dec 24, 2006 19:37:21 GMT -5
they were in the ETO, but in VERY small numbers and usually used by MP's or guards...but basically so little use that its not even worth mentioning....
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Post by polak on Dec 24, 2006 19:43:07 GMT -5
Still, sweeping remarks won't make one's intelligence quotient reflect that.
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Post by Nimlas on Dec 25, 2006 9:36:29 GMT -5
they were in the ETO, but in VERY small numbers and usually used by MP's or guards...but basically so little use that its not even worth mentioning.... That's what I meant when I said "Never". Not fit for a combat soldier. They were also out lawed by the Geneva Convention.
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Post by click on Dec 25, 2006 18:31:01 GMT -5
That's what I meant when I said "Never". Not fit for a combat soldier. They were also out lawed by the Geneva Convention.[/quote]
What the heck for?
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Post by Russian on Dec 25, 2006 18:34:39 GMT -5
Inhumanity....bein shot by a shotgun...ouch...
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Post by click on Dec 25, 2006 18:37:26 GMT -5
But, as Sherman (at least I think it was Sherman) said, "War is He**" But still i imagine getting shot by a shot gun wouldn't be too fun.
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Post by caffrey on Dec 31, 2006 5:32:30 GMT -5
The trenchguns were popular in the Pacific Theater. The Japs broke the rules, so by god we brought out our nastiest toys too!
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Post by 5thrangerinfantry on Jan 2, 2007 8:40:22 GMT -5
There was a discussion on this on another forum. It was shown that the germans tried to outlaw them under the Geneva convention, but it never happened. The truth is that a shotgun is not a good combat weapon, unless in very close quarters fighting like in the pacific, but even then they were not very common.....
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Post by TommyGunner on Jan 2, 2007 14:28:15 GMT -5
Actually the 1897 and the Remington semi automatic were quite common in the pacific, Infact some reall good photo evidence of this is in the Book Iwo Jima, it has some 500 photos of USMC guys in it and surprisingly there are several pictures of several different guys with 1897s or Remington semi automatics.
Joe Levato a friend of mine who served during WW2 in the USMC said he'd see guys walking around and going into combate frequently with shotguns. In the Pacific if you could get one you used it.
Side note, there were actually full combat kits for a shotgun man, with special pouches and web gear setups for him (he was also issued the colt.45 as standard.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2007 16:55:29 GMT -5
i dont see why a shotgun was outlawed when we used flamethrowers landmines grenades and all that other nasty stuff....
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Post by 2ndranger on Jan 3, 2007 0:10:54 GMT -5
Though shotguns are more gruesome as they sprayed pellets which ripped apart flesh...I wont get into it...
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Post by 5thrangerinfantry on Jan 3, 2007 10:22:48 GMT -5
There was a discussion on this on another forum. It was shown that the germans tried to outlaw them under the Geneva convention, but it never happened. The truth is that a shotgun is not a good combat weapon, unless in very close quarters fighting like in the pacific, but even then they were not very common..... not very common as compared to the garand, carbine, or springfield....
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Post by TommyGunner on Jan 3, 2007 19:24:39 GMT -5
The Garand was not issued officially to the USMC till 1944 (any they had were borrowed US Army rifles), and the Thompson nor the Bar were common compared to the Carbine or Springfields either, but the Shot gun was almost as common as Flame throwers and just as dangerous to use because of the close quaters needed for it to be effective in, but still saw quite wide spread use in campaigns like Iwo, and Tarawa where the gun would come into its own clearing bunkers. Not to mention shotguns were also used in the fronlines in jungle warfare because of the effectivness in the event of a Banzi charge, the ultimate one hit one kill weapon when the enemy is right on top of you.
And while this is true that in the grand scheme of things the 1897 or Remington Shot guns were not used in the massive numbers as the other weapons were, it is still very much worthy of being noted for its use in the PTO and I would consider creating an impression for airsoft useing the 1897 and its associated gear. It may be crap in airsoft but when you compare it to the range of other airsoft weapons its falls right into the shotgun catagory for the need for close up fighting in hairy situations where you dont really want to be.
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Post by 5thrangerinfantry on Jan 4, 2007 8:31:55 GMT -5
The Garand was not issued officially to the USMC till 1944 (any they had were borrowed US Army rifles), and the Thompson nor the Bar were common compared to the Carbine or Springfields either, but the Shot gun was almost as common as Flame throwers and just as dangerous to use because of the close quaters needed for it to be effective in, but still saw quite wide spread use in campaigns like Iwo, and Tarawa where the gun would come into its own clearing bunkers. Not to mention shotguns were also used in the fronlines in jungle warfare because of the effectivness in the event of a Banzi charge, the ultimate one hit one kill weapon when the enemy is right on top of you. And while this is true that in the grand scheme of things the 1897 or Remington Shot guns were not used in the massive numbers as the other weapons were, it is still very much worthy of being noted for its use in the PTO and I would consider creating an impression for airsoft useing the 1897 and its associated gear. It may be crap in airsoft but when you compare it to the range of other airsoft weapons its falls right into the shotgun catagory for the need for close up fighting in hairy situations where you dont really want to be. TommyGunner Ummm...yeah thats what I was saying pretty much.
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Post by Cpl. Hicks on Jan 4, 2007 21:23:05 GMT -5
It doesn't really matter now does it. Let's not go flaming each other eh?
I have looked at the shotgun and i'm not so sure it's really worth buying unless you want something to hang on your wall, or something expensive to plink with.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2007 23:10:29 GMT -5
i too was about to buy it for my USMC impression, but it would just be too much of a hassle to worry about shells under intense fire and moving from cover to cover and such! an awesome wall hanger and plinking gun though!
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