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Post by mastermike95 on Jul 8, 2010 1:42:26 GMT -5
I like to make movies and im currently making a ww2 film based on the 327th Glider infantry. I have some questions to ask. 1.) What carbine did they use? Standard m1 or m1a1 folding stock 2.) During Normandy, it seems that they were mostly issued haversacks, but in Market Garden did they still use haversacks? 3.) When did they stop wearing leggins? 4.) Did they wear rigger modified m1943 pants or did they keey the same wools they used in Normandy? 5.) Did they wear the 101st patch? 6.) Did they ever use the m-1c or m2 helmets? or just standart m1 helmet? Also if any1 in Southern California ventura/thousand oaks/simi valley area willing to help out with my movie send me a personal message. Heres a link of the short ww2 battle scene i made with some friends last year. www.youtube.com/watch?v=KV3wPu3dvrg
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Post by gadge on Jul 8, 2010 6:24:35 GMT -5
To my knowledge, all equipment was *exactly* the same as the line infantry. This was a massivle bone of contention with glider troops as they felt hard done by.
Some guys wore jump boots but they were only 'authorised' to those that had done para jumps and para lads often had 'harsh words' round the back of the bar with those they caught wearing them.
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Post by savoy6 on Jul 8, 2010 8:31:03 GMT -5
the 327th was part of the 101st AB when it became a glider outfit in aug of '42....so they didn't wear the 82nd patch.... the 327th was the subject of the movie "Battleground"..a classic WW2 film.. some shot of glider riders in the UK and eto... they were usually outfitted in M43 's for anything during maket garden or later,with the buckle boots being standard issue..after seeing how alot of the glider guys were killed in normandy,most enlisted paratroopers wouldn't have had a problem with glider guys in jump boots..their issue was with non-ABN,rear echelon types wearing them as a fashion statement.... most guys were issued the haversack but went to the musette as fast as the could....since it could be removed without having to dump all of your web gear,held more stuff and wasn't as much of a PITA to use...
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Post by gadge on Jul 8, 2010 10:52:50 GMT -5
[quote author=savoy6 board=allied thread=7512 post=93706 ..after seeing how alot of the glider guys were killed in normandy,most enlisted paratroopers wouldn't have had a problem with glider guys in jump boots..their issue was with non-ABN,rear echelon types wearing them as a fashion statement.... [/quote]
I've some very credible accounts that disagree with that. It was very much an issue so much so that when the infamous decree came through allowing glider troops to wear them provided they had done a set number of parachute jumps, a senior parachute officer sarcastically put out a standing order authorising paratroopers the 'privelige' of wearing roughouts and leggings if they made a glider drop...
Off hand i cant remember the officers name but the account is in several books including the Osprey title on US ariborne units.
Here we go from the osprey title:
“Glider troops were uniformed and equipped similar to regular infantry troops, in this instance the wool field uniform, M1942 field jacket, m1943 combat boots and leggings. .. … The differences in in uniforms was a continuing sore point with the glider troops. The prestige of the jump boots and the parachute cap badge were so strong that in 1943 Maj Gen Ridgeway commanding the 82nd authorized his staff to wear them if they undertook a single parachute jump (without completing full jump training), but not the jumpwings – they flocked to the chance. The 505th PIR in retaliation posted a notice that any paratrooper making a single glider landing was authorised to wear shoes and leggings”
Source: US Army Airborne 1940- 90 the first fifty years. Gordon L Rottman.
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Post by mastermike95 on Jul 8, 2010 13:58:43 GMT -5
Do u guys know which unit was part of the Glider Landing during Opeation Chicago and Detroit? Those were sub operations to Operation Neptune. It was a glider landing that happend arround 3 am during d-day
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Post by Fusilier on Jul 8, 2010 14:13:18 GMT -5
often had 'harsh words' round the back of the bar with those they caught wearing them. >> Actually,they got the crap beat out of them! Still happened while I was still in..
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Post by Adler69 on Jul 9, 2010 1:49:23 GMT -5
often had 'harsh words' round the back of the bar with those they caught wearing them. >> Actually,they got the crap beat out of them! Still happened while I was still in.. You guys where still beating up glider infantry guys for wearing jump boots? Poor Vets.
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Post by CharleyNovember on Jul 9, 2010 7:05:25 GMT -5
Really ya mean bastards!
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Post by Fusilier on Jul 9, 2010 9:04:40 GMT -5
often had 'harsh words' round the back of the bar with those they caught wearing them. >> Actually,they got the crap beat out of them! Still happened while I was still in.. You guys where still beating up glider infantry guys for wearing jump boots? Poor Vets. >>> LOL! Jeez NO!!
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Post by mattroxsu on Jul 9, 2010 23:30:37 GMT -5
If you wanna know the boots just get 1943 two buckle boots. they were used by all of the branches of the army so how does it differ from glider troops. mainly used on operations market and garden but are the correct time period for 1944. yes get a 1943 uniform, not the jump uniform but rather the non modified uniform. keep all of the infantry stuff and remember a haversack is ok to use because every infantry soldier would love to get their hands on one, yes they wore them alot incase you didint know that.
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Post by mattroxsu on Jul 9, 2010 23:32:48 GMT -5
also forget the 101st patch. remember infantry glider troops are a little bit different than airborne glider troops. the 101st is a unit. stick with your unit patch and dont get your info form brothers in arms because they have a 101st patch and also an 82nd on their helmet.
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Post by Adler69 on Jul 10, 2010 0:37:38 GMT -5
also forget the 101st patch. remember infantry glider troops are a little bit different than airborne glider troops. the 101st is a unit. stick with your unit patch and dont get your info form brothers in arms because they have a 101st patch and also an 82nd on their helmet. The 101st is a DIVISION , Glider Riders belonged to the 82nd and 101st AIRBORNE DIVISION so they wore the shoulder patch insignia for their respective DIVISION . For D-DAY they wore the standard INFANTRY combat uniform , M41 jacket, M37Wools , russet brown Type I or Type II service shoes and leggings. for OP MARKET they wore M43's and Type III Combat Boot also known as Double Buckle Boot.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jul 10, 2010 0:43:27 GMT -5
For a brief period of the war even Airborne soldiers were ordered to wear the double buckle boots and cease wearing the jump boots although that was an order that was largely ignored. Jump boots worn by "legs" was certainly a contentious issue when I was in the army. Blousing your trousers from your class A uniform (Khakis or Greens) was an absolute no go if you were not jump qualified and assigned to an airborne unit.
Incidently nice job on the short action scene clip. Obviously it would be easy to beat you up about all kinds of little things the most obvious being the clearly lightweight weapons but not much more than one sees in professionally done war movies Given your age and prop and budget limitations great job!
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Post by mastermike95 on Jul 10, 2010 12:12:03 GMT -5
Thanks 2nd bat! My main problem is german uniforms and people. Here is a great picture of the 327th GIR moving out prior to Market Garden.
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Post by tomsawyer on Jul 10, 2010 19:01:29 GMT -5
Just a bit of info i got from reading one of mark bandos books was that one platoon in each company of a glider regiment was parachute qualified and that they were issued to wear jump boots. This was because of the high casualty rates form the paratroopers.
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Post by gadge on Jul 10, 2010 20:46:22 GMT -5
That makes little sense, glider troops were far more vulnerable on landing then paras... UK gliders expected 30 per cetn casualties on landing.
The advantage of glider infantry is you can deploy heavier equipment, parachute infantry however is infinitaly safer to land if a little less cohesive and durable.
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Post by tomsawyer on Jul 10, 2010 22:03:44 GMT -5
I never said it made sense, i just said that is what i read in Mark Bando's book. Also, in each airborne landing the americans made, the losses were always higher for the paratroopers than the glider troopers. I know this for a fact.
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Post by Adler69 on Jul 11, 2010 1:34:20 GMT -5
Something you guys might not know is that the 551st Parachute Infantry Battalion were the first parachute troops to make mass jumps from the gliders in tow.
This is from Major Bill Holm, Bn Exec Officer:
"Our Battalion pioneered the technique of snatching a glider, with troops, off the ground. And of course, we tested the concept of jumping the Battalion from C-47's and gliders simultaneously, with each C-47 fulling two gliders. We made a close pattern on the ground."
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Post by tomsawyer on Jul 11, 2010 7:59:31 GMT -5
Interesting Information. SInce you mentioned the 551st, I will say GOYA!
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Post by tomsawyer on Jul 11, 2010 8:05:55 GMT -5
You also asked what type of carbine they used. They used both. I've seen pics of troops carrying the M1A1 and the M1 carbine, BUT the pics with the M1A1 carbine, the troops were all wearing jump boots. So they were probablly members of the Jump qualified platoon.
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