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Jul 21, 2012 16:47:15 GMT -5
Post by coljones on Jul 21, 2012 16:47:15 GMT -5
Has anyone heard anything about the Echo 1 BAR coming out, or the Zeta Labs BAR coming out. Also can someone link me to a tutorial on the way to convert a M14 to a BAR. Thanks.
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Jul 22, 2012 12:17:17 GMT -5
Post by aj czarkowski on Jul 22, 2012 12:17:17 GMT -5
Neither of those exist. If you want to convert an M14 to a BAR, you should talk to 2nd Bat because he's made a few out of resin moulds.
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Aug 2, 2012 3:00:45 GMT -5
Post by 2nd Bat on Aug 2, 2012 3:00:45 GMT -5
Actually i dont have any molds done up at all. I completely fabricated each one up essentially from scratch. Its a somewhat tedious process and certainly time consuming but the end results were satisfactory for my purposes. Until an affordable alternative exists its my approach. There are photos and something of a step by step guide in the technical section. Good luck with it if you decide to take it on and share how things come out. Here is the link to the discussion thread on One Approach to a Homemade BAR ww2aa.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=technical&action=display&thread=5629&page=1
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Aug 2, 2012 14:50:28 GMT -5
Post by aj czarkowski on Aug 2, 2012 14:50:28 GMT -5
Must have been thinking of something else then. They look pretty good
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Aug 2, 2012 19:56:18 GMT -5
Post by 2nd Bat on Aug 2, 2012 19:56:18 GMT -5
I did up molds for my garand conversions. The molds create hard resin parts that provide the complete gas assembly, the upper and lower handguards a stock augmentation piece and a few other pieces neede to convert an m14 aeg into a reasonably accurate Garand replica. That must be what you're thinking of. i have some of those components done up which make the conversion process much much easier.
With the BAR conversion i use metal side plates, some artistic license and real wood to build the front handguards and simply modify and reshape the m14 butt stock to create the effect of a BAR
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Aug 3, 2012 22:18:58 GMT -5
Post by coljones on Aug 3, 2012 22:18:58 GMT -5
2nd bat I read that you made a BAR out of a resin replica BAR and an M14. Could you give a tutorial on how to do that in a way where you could get back inside the gun if something happened to the gear box. I have an idea on how to do that but it would be nice to have you clarify that. Also Have you ever built a 1919.
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Aug 3, 2012 23:46:56 GMT -5
Post by 2nd Bat on Aug 3, 2012 23:46:56 GMT -5
I have buit a half dozen assorted versions of the 30 Cal. And nine airsoft functional BARs. There are a number of ways to build them so they disassemble although truthfully the extra work required and thicker reciever group that results isnt worth it so i stopped making them that way. If there is a problrm with the gun i can easily tear into them and redo the work once repairs are done. Less net work and a happier result building them solid (imo)
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Aug 4, 2012 15:04:35 GMT -5
Post by coljones on Aug 4, 2012 15:04:35 GMT -5
could you tell me how to build an airsoft resin BAR. Also for the 1919s did you use killbuckets instructions.
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Sept 22, 2012 10:11:21 GMT -5
Post by 2nd Bat on Sept 22, 2012 10:11:21 GMT -5
Young man...follow the thread I directed you to which shows how I made my BARs. I have now made 11 of them with a 12th in progress. If that doesn 't provide you with enough clarity on how to do it you REALLY REALLY shouldn't attempt it!
I did my 30 Cals using he templates from Killbucket and used assorted thickness of ABS plastic and hardware bought as per the instructions. Both the BAR and the 30 Cals are fun projects but not tasks to take on lightly as they both require quite a lot of time and work.
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Sept 23, 2012 18:46:18 GMT -5
Post by brownien on Sept 23, 2012 18:46:18 GMT -5
Agreed 2nd! Upon starting my BAR conversion from an m14, it seemed like an easy conversion. Although I made mine out of all metal, it wasn't any easier to do in comparison to what 2nd Bat. has done. It took me nearly half the summer to do and I'm still not done! (close though! ;D) It was especially hard making the working faux bolt and handle, but the hard work really does pay off in the end. I'm not trying to deter you from the build but if your not into building and doing some guesswork to make everything look reletively close AND funtional all at once, I wouldn't attempt it. Although, if you are brave enough to try, more power to ya! The end result is not always going to look absolutely 100%, but it is especially nice to field something you made yourself!
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Sept 23, 2012 19:55:05 GMT -5
Post by 2nd Bat on Sept 23, 2012 19:55:05 GMT -5
I agree 100% and really am inspired by other peoples efforts. when I post the comments I do it is so people will go into these things with their eyes wide open. 80% of the posts from excited new builders announcing their projects never get done. (It is sad but true). most of the more prolific builders go to considerable time and effort to record their efforts and then freely post them for others. that effort alone requires a ton of work and time. please dont burden them further with requests for additional details unless they volunteer to answer additional questions. what is ESPECIALLY Annoying to me are the persistent inquiries asking questions that were clearly laid out in the threads. Obviously these eager beavers apparenly never bothered to read through the tutorials provided from the beginning.
I would post some of the inane PMs I,ve recieved over the years which would be funny if they werent so pathetic. obviously I wont as it would be pretty embarrassing. I 'll get off my soap box now!
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Sept 23, 2012 22:38:27 GMT -5
Post by brownien on Sept 23, 2012 22:38:27 GMT -5
lol From seeing a small percentage of said posts, I bet you get hammered with an avalanche of requests, especially when seeing your work! And I do have to admit that as an eager young builder, I have started several posts citing my wishes to start projects! (aeg carbine, johnson aeg rifle, bc1000 radio) But in my case (hopefully!) they have only been sent to the back burner as current projects ensue. My biggest words of advice to any new builder would be keep the internals as close to the original configuration as possible! I've heard 2nd Bat. say that several times and I know just what he means by that! these things are so finiky when it comes to the positioning of everything! I got especially lucky building the receiver shell for my BAR, because the gearbox fit almost perfectly and at the exact angles for it to work properly. Also, when building, construct it STRONG! the gun is going to have to stand up to some abuse in the field! make sure it wont fall apart on you durring a game. Use strong materials and dont be afraid to over-reinforce! Lastly, tailor the gun to you. If you want to make it asthetically 100% accurate, then go for it! you will run into snags that may cause you to change your design slightly or completely. Change your design so it is as simplistic for YOU to make and as accurate to the real thing as YOU want. No use in taping a cardboard box together and calling it a Browning, nor is it any use to go out and CNC machine an entire BAR! might as well buy a VFC gun then, know your aspirations AND your limits (in manufacturing ability ie. welding, slodering, lathework). Sorry for the novel but thats how I attacked my BAR and I personally think it worked out nicely!
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Sept 24, 2012 21:53:31 GMT -5
Post by 2nd Bat on Sept 24, 2012 21:53:31 GMT -5
Great advice all around.
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