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Post by tigerelite on Feb 20, 2013 21:25:08 GMT -5
Hey everyone. I have lately been looking for the Marushin M1/M2 carbine 6mm Green/Red gas magazines. I have found one on RedWolf but it is out of stock and has been for about 2 months now. I wondered if anyone knew where to get these? Also, I am wondering what everyone thinks about the m2 vs. m1 or the m1 green gas vs. m1 co2. Any advice or reviews etc. would be greatly appreciated. Thanks again!
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Post by tommygunner9 on Feb 20, 2013 23:21:00 GMT -5
The Marushin M1/M2 Carbine long magazines can't take green/red gas. It will mess up the internals of the rifle, as well as the valves and O-rings of the magazine. Only duster gas (HFC 134a) can be used on that rifle. It will not be good on FPS at all. My advice, don't get it.
I'd get the Marushin M1 Carbine CDX CO2 6mm rifle. Not only does it have the correct mag for WWII, but it takes CO2 cartridges and shoots at 400 + FPS. Also the internals are built for high pressure. I got mine today in the mail and I absolutely love it!
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Post by newcomer on Feb 20, 2013 23:48:22 GMT -5
Seconded tommygunner on the marushin CO2 carbine, its a superior model in almost all aspects. Just a note, although the magazine is the correct type, its fatter and taller than the real steel. Not a deal breaker, but they won't fit into the buttstock pouches for the carbine. If you use an M43 jacket, the pockets work well for storage, otherwise you'd have to find a way to carry several of them.
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Post by brownien on Feb 20, 2013 23:53:52 GMT -5
Just a quick question about the duster gas model Carbine, what exactly would green gas do to it? Is there a certain weak part in it that breaks?
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Post by 2nd Bat on Feb 21, 2013 0:10:10 GMT -5
Just about every point that is effected by the effects of the pressure have been known to fail. the magazine gaskets, the guns seals and the charging handle among others. The original non blowback 6mm carbine handled green gas just fine but the blow backs all eat their young. The new CO2 version appears to be a pleasant exception. it's still a little early to tell but I have put 30 magazines through mine with no failures or hiccups whatsoever. Each magazine holds 15 ready rounds and a cartiridge of CO2 is good for about 45 to 50 rounds of good, powerful shots. Probably more in warmer temperatures with longer pauses between shots.
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Post by tommygunner9 on Feb 21, 2013 12:07:49 GMT -5
I just ordered a riggers pouch last night in order to store my three mags since they don't fit in the carbine mag pouch. It's accurate because paratroopers used to store carbine mags, extra Garand clips or grenades in them. I think it's a fantastic solution. You're right about the mags being fatter and taller than the real ones, not to mention heavy as all hell. Nevertheless, it's still a great rifle.
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Post by aj czarkowski on Feb 21, 2013 15:36:54 GMT -5
Just a quick question about the duster gas model Carbine, what exactly would green gas do to it? Is there a certain weak part in it that breaks? I used green gas in mine and the bolt broke in half, then for a couple quick seconds their was a flame coming out of the top of the magazine where the gas is released. Seems like the perfect ending to a crappy airsoft gun ;D I used green gas because no airsoft store sells duster gas. It lasted atleast 1,000 rounds, so I guess I got a good one? The newer versions made with steel can handle Co2, the older versions used pot metal.
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Post by brownien on Feb 21, 2013 23:15:22 GMT -5
So your carbine turned into a flamethrower?!?!
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Post by aj czarkowski on Feb 21, 2013 23:29:59 GMT -5
Yeah I guess you could say that ;D There's a small square at the top of the magazine where the gas is released each shot, when the gun broke I guess that the gas left inside ignited somehow. The "flame" wasn't too big... but when I saw it I just freaked out
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Post by tigerelite on Feb 22, 2013 20:54:42 GMT -5
Oh dear.... I see. So I have already made the unfortunate mistake of purchasing the 30-round duster gas type carbine.... is there any chance that I can sell it? Who in their right mind would want this? HELP!!! X( Another thing: I have heard that the CO2 version has a lot of problems with being airtight... And I generally don't like CO2 as a propellant besides the fact that it is all-weather. What WWII airsoft rifle can I get for $300 that won't explode or burst into flame after 1000 rounds?
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Post by brownien on Feb 22, 2013 21:53:49 GMT -5
ICS M1 GARAND! They aren't flammable! (I don't think) ;D
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Post by tigerelite on Feb 23, 2013 11:27:47 GMT -5
Yeah that gun makes me drool... There are two things with it though: It is $400. It is fresh off the production line, which means that any long term problems have not been uncovered yet... Now someone just needs to make an AEG blowback carbine and I'll be happy I still have the quandary of what to with this hunk of pot metal and wood that I used to think was an Airsoft carbine....
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Post by brownien on Feb 23, 2013 12:40:44 GMT -5
I recently just ordered a JG VZ-61 Scorpion AEP that I am going to try to convert to a carbine. I'll let ya know when I get it if its feasable! ;D
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Post by 2nd Bat on Feb 23, 2013 14:12:59 GMT -5
Do it yourself conversions allow a lot of flexibility in terms of staying under the $300.00 threshold but that isn't a solution for who lack the tools, skills, inspiration or time. A carbine AEG is the only main weapon in the US arsenal that is still lacking. This thread serves as a nice warning to new folks entering our hobby as to what to avoid. The GBB carbines unfortunately have not been durable or reliable. Green gas is in fact quite flammable. It is essentially unscented propane. CO2 has been showing much more promise and the early reports on the CO2 version of the carbine have been consistently favorable. Unfortunately to buy one and sufficient spare magazines to be skirmishable is $500.00.
A used M14 to M1 garand conversion if well done would be a good call. They no doubt have come way way down with the pending ICS Garand. You could probably get a very nicely done one with many spare clips in your $300.00 range. Get lots of pictures and assurances of full functionality as the quality of the Builds ranges considerably. My early efforts for example were quite atrocious compared to the last 150 and these rifles have in many cases been used hard. There are people on this site who did far better jobs on theirs than any of the 400 + that I built.
it's something to consider along with possibly building your own.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Oct 7, 2013 1:57:50 GMT -5
The ICS garand has been a fabulous airsoft rifle. I have now fired thousands upon thousand of rounds through mine with no failures whatsoever and it is a hard shooter and very accurate. The most skirmishable WW2 weapon I currently own. (I own just about every WW2 airsoft gun made) the Marushin CO2 carbine like all gas guns is a bit finiky but no where near as bad as most. I would put it in a category of "sorta skirmishable"
Other very very good WW2 choices are the myriad of AEG Thompsons, The ICS or Matrix Grease Guns, The ACM or Echo 1 BAR, The myriad of MP40s and the myriad of STG 44s. Another excellent and highly skirmishable airsoft gun is the Russian PPSH which are produced under a number of brands.
Thus far the choices of carbines is quite limited. The Marushin CO2 carbine is probably the most capable and is an extremely good replica but will require about $500.00 for the rifle itself and the four spare magazines needed to make it useable as a primary. There is an excellent springer carbine built by UKARMS and distributed through Matrix that is under $100.00 with spare magazines but it needs to be cocked each shot. It shoots hard and accurately and looks and feels quite good. There is also a cheap plastic gearbox carbine under $70.00 that looks as hokey as it's low price would suggest and has marginal FPS and power but does shoot semi or full auto and has a hi capacity mag.
Hopefully a quality, metal gearbox AEG M1 carbine will be made available soon. We are also anxiously awaiting a GnG M1 Garand that has been on the "soon to be released" category for about two years now.
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