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Post by ScottCollins on Mar 31, 2013 19:56:50 GMT -5
I'm thinking that I want to start a 101st airborne group soon. It would be mostly a summer group. Tom I know that you have one so if you were feeling up to it we could try to get it active again.
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Post by LϟϟAH1944 on Oct 27, 2013 11:22:51 GMT -5
Just on piece of criticism here. Why airborne? theres honestly waaaaay too many airborne. Why not try something unusual, such as...dare I say it...here it comes...INFANTRY!? Or at least some other airborne group. I'd love to see brit airborne done some time.
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Post by shiftysgarand on Oct 27, 2013 11:58:33 GMT -5
Just because it's 101st doesn't mean it's another E/506/101 unit. Scott and I are making a combined 501st/502nd unit.
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Post by LϟϟAH1944 on Oct 27, 2013 12:27:10 GMT -5
Nonetheless, waaaay too much 101st. Infantry is far less farb, and was much more common.
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Post by brownien on Oct 27, 2013 13:43:14 GMT -5
I wouldn't call it farb, having a period correct airborne impression surely isn't Flaggrantly Wrong. Hosting a North African Campaign event, and having US Airborne show up would be Flaggrantly Wrong. I agree that there are too many airborne compared to regular GI's, but as long as they portray the airborne properly, there's nothing wrong with wanting to be a part of an elite fighting unit
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Post by aj czarkowski on Oct 27, 2013 14:54:41 GMT -5
I remember at past events I went to, my friends and I were the only three from 82nd Airborne. There were plenty from 101st, and believe it or not there was a good number of infantry. It would probably be better to have nearly everyone from an elite unit if they had correct gear, than mixed units without correct gear
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Post by shiftysgarand on Oct 27, 2013 15:00:59 GMT -5
I think it's human nature to want to represent elite units. There are too many airborne, too many Rangers, too many SS, and too many Fallschrimjagers. Having an SS impression isn't farb, as long as they fought there. So I don't think having a 101st impression at a Normandy, Market Garden, or Bastogne event is Flaggrantly Wrong.
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Post by LϟϟAH1944 on Oct 27, 2013 16:13:04 GMT -5
I just hope somebody would begin to do more infantry. Theres definitely way too many airborne guys than there were compared to infantry. For SS, I usually do foreign volunteer, which isn't done as much. On the other hand, I might start doing brit airborne too
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Post by insterburger on Feb 5, 2014 15:51:52 GMT -5
I would agree that "Flaggrantly Wrong" is NOT the term to apply here. When impressions are inauthentic or anachronistic, they're Flaggrantly Wrong. But a spot-on impression, however rare or obscure the unit, is not Flaggrantly Wrong. (OK, to a point... Britisches Freikorps would be Flaggrantly Wrong no matter what!)
I do agree that there are far too many specialized/elite units in comparison to ordinary infantry in the hobby, on both sides. As shifty said, it's human nature to want to represent an elite unit. But for that matter it's human nature to want to hold rank... yet it would be pretty silly to see two squads of generals battling it out over a forest clearing!
That said, I'm not going to be the one to criticize ANYONE'S impression-- even a Flaggrantly Wrong impression-- as long as they show up and play. As far as I'm concerned an East German rework riding the back of an active player in the field beats the heck out of a stitch-perfect At The Front Texled tunic hanging in the closet with its owner's feet up in front of the TV. But the point is valid that it would be good to see more people on the Allied side portraying plain old US Army Infantry and more Germans showing up as regular Heer conscripts.
Graham, I need to ask: Why Brit Airborne? I would say rather than sink money into another impression where you're likely to be the one and only of a relatively obscure impression in an otherwise more or less cohesive force, why not practice what you preach and get yourself into a bread-and-butter impression that will fit in almost anywhere and with anyone? Either go US Infantry yourself, or shift your German impression into an accurate SS-Mann or Heer Soldat. As you allude to, we should be chasing authenticity, not glamor, after all.
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Post by ScottCollins on Feb 5, 2014 19:48:11 GMT -5
This is really interesting and looking at some of the pictures from the event, my impression was odd with the addition of my musette bag and it dragged everything up. But could we also keep this on topic? I created this post to see if anyone in the midwest area was interested in joining...
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Post by Jerry-ADK on Feb 6, 2014 18:41:27 GMT -5
Im sorry Scott, I don't mean to take this further off topic, but this thread is barly a day old and the view counter says there is over 900 views. Either that's means this thread is getting a lot of traffic or my pro boards software is malfuntioning. I hope itis the latter, but I dout it, cause its lately just the merger few of us who seem to be hanging around and posting on this forum. I do hope you can generate some interest out there for your new unit. I would love to come out there someday soon to one of your events, keep your chin up, those new recruits are out there somewhere
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Post by LϟϟAH1944 on Feb 6, 2014 18:59:08 GMT -5
I would agree that "Flaggrantly Wrong" is NOT the term to apply here. When impressions are inauthentic or anachronistic, they're Flaggrantly Wrong. But a spot-on impression, however rare or obscure the unit, is not Flaggrantly Wrong. (OK, to a point... Britisches Freikorps would be Flaggrantly Wrong no matter what!) I do agree that there are far too many specialized/elite units in comparison to ordinary infantry in the hobby, on both sides. As shifty said, it's human nature to want to represent an elite unit. But for that matter it's human nature to want to hold rank... yet it would be pretty silly to see two squads of generals battling it out over a forest clearing! That said, I'm not going to be the one to criticize ANYONE'S impression-- even a Flaggrantly Wrong impression-- as long as they show up and play. As far as I'm concerned an East German rework riding the back of an active player in the field beats the heck out of a stitch-perfect At The Front Texled tunic hanging in the closet with its owner's feet up in front of the TV. But the point is valid that it would be good to see more people on the Allied side portraying plain old US Army Infantry and more Germans showing up as regular Heer conscripts. Graham, I need to ask: Why Brit Airborne? I would say rather than sink money into another impression where you're likely to be the one and only of a relatively obscure impression in an otherwise more or less cohesive force, why not practice what you preach and get yourself into a bread-and-butter impression that will fit in almost anywhere and with anyone? Either go US Infantry yourself, or shift your German impression into an accurate SS-Mann or Heer Soldat. As you allude to, we should be chasing authenticity, not glamor, after all. I agree with your points Mark. I will admit I was too quick to speak, but I would definitely love to see more US infantry, and have been thinking of doing it as a side impression myself, lol. What I meant by British airborne is that there are so many other units that don't see any portrayal in the airsoft hobby, such as british. That, I am seriously considering(money permitting). I do agree that I'd rather see people show up and play. I guess my point was that I'd like to see more infantry, rathet than just 101st, since most events it seems that everybody does 101st. I also do agree with your britisches freikorps point, LOL.
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Post by ssgjoe on Feb 6, 2014 19:12:18 GMT -5
Me, I do Heer. Mainly because I do not like SS and refuse to portray them. If someone else wants to do SS, that's fine with me, I don't care. I'm not offended by them. I just personally will never do it. And I also do Heer because there is way more FJ and SS. I would love to see some more Gebirsjäger actually (at events they belong to of course. Don't want GJ at an Afrika event). And I plan on doing 1 Infantsy Division for my US kit, because we need more infantry. And I also agree with Issah's point of having British. I am going to do British too, but I wanna do it after my US impression because in proud of my country. Anyway, we do need more general infantry as opposed to elite units.
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Post by LϟϟAH1944 on Feb 6, 2014 19:15:10 GMT -5
I agree with you ssgijoe. The only flaw I can point out is that normally, I see way more heer than SS, and FJ is by far the minority. I wouldn't mind doing GJ, and actually already have basic Nord gear for an Ost front event, but that's a looong way away I think.
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Post by shiftysgarand on Feb 6, 2014 19:43:19 GMT -5
I am currently working on the stereotypical 101st airborne impression (at least I'm not using a Thompson) but at some point I will do 66th Infantry and later on, a Soviet impression. I may also do German at some point, but that's a long way off. And btw Jer, this thread was created in March 2013
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Post by ssgjoe on Feb 6, 2014 19:49:39 GMT -5
Issah, it all depends on where you play. Some places have more Heer, some more SS.
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Post by LϟϟAH1944 on Feb 6, 2014 19:50:38 GMT -5
Oooooh, soviet! That sounds awesome, good luck! Maybe my ultimate dream of a Karelia event isn't so extremely far off then
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Post by 2nd Bat on Feb 6, 2014 20:17:55 GMT -5
People want to depict what they see and what they fantasize or imagine themselves being. HENCE LOTS OF RANGERS AND AIRBORNE. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that. It is human nature. Fantasy is a huge part of the allure of this hobby. The vast majority of ALL armies of WW2 were composed of support troops INFANTRY, ARTILLERY, ARMOR and CAV units constitute a very small % of your uniformed "soldiers". I guess by your standards most of us should be depicting, drivers, warehousemen, Mechanics, wireless operators, ordinance specialists, armorers, cryptographers, couriors, typists, cooks, medical personnel, administrative positions etc. Good luck with that. Your comment is all the more absurd when your avatar shows you in your marvelous but none the less elite SS impression. Hmmmmmm?
Maybe MONUMENT MEN will encourage more regular GI impressions. I for one love seeing a variety of depictions.
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Post by Jerry-ADK on Feb 6, 2014 20:40:00 GMT -5
I am currently working on the stereotypical 101st airborne impression (at least I'm not using a Thompson) but at some point I will do 66th Infantry and later on, a Soviet impression. I may also do German at some point, but that's a long way off. And btw Jer, this thread was created in March 2013 Oh, that explains it We are seriously necro posting, lol!
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Post by LϟϟAH1944 on Feb 6, 2014 20:53:53 GMT -5
John, I was not saying that. I meant that I wish more nations that still took part in fighting, were portrayed. I also agree with you on that more impressions is great to see.
My profile pic, I have on the uniform of a typical foreign volunteer (that uniform particularly 25th, Hunyadi.) Many foreign volunteers have no place in reenacting, and I think they deserve more. Many were hardly 'elite" and ill-equipped. Moreso, most were either young boys or conscripts. many, such as the 33rd, were the last ones fighting, and many died fighting for a country in which they had no direct relation to.
I apologize for my initial post, and for hijacking (and necroposting.) I al going to step back from this now before it turns into a downright argument(which I have seen numerous times on other forums.) Again, I apologize for starting this, and btw, you guys look great!
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Post by ssgjoe on Feb 6, 2014 21:15:25 GMT -5
But then, I would love to see more infantrymen with rifles, but as long as they're having fun, I don't care how inaccurate their impression is.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Feb 7, 2014 0:18:42 GMT -5
Issah, i was just trying to rattle your chain. I really enjoyed the mix of impressions at the battle of the bulge where common soldiers like your dad and others were combined with FJ and assorted SS impressions It was very cool and your set up as I mentioned was one of my favorite. Incidently i have done some additional research on my seemingly faded smock and have identifed the pattern. You were right about it. It was quite faded however so i ran it through a mild dye and really like how it came out.
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Post by LϟϟAH1944 on Feb 7, 2014 6:33:32 GMT -5
It was awesome seeing the variety, I agree. Post pics of the smock (on another thread of course lol) im interested to see how it came out with the dye.
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Post by insterburger on Feb 7, 2014 7:20:09 GMT -5
I guess by your standards most of us should be depicting, drivers, warehousemen, Mechanics, wireless operators, ordinance specialists, armorers, cryptographers, couriors, typists, cooks, medical personnel, administrative positions etc. Good luck with that. Hey, when we can get a few thousand people to attend an event so that all the combat roles are filled, I would be more than glad to park my butt in front of a typewriter all weekend writing orders and filing combat reports in triplicate! You could even chrono my typing so that my WPM don't exceed historical standards! To your point about the small minority of troops who actually see combat compared to the multitude who live the routine of mundane support roles, I thought you'd appreciate this video-- it's an oldie but a goodie! "MODERN WARFARE 3"
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Post by LϟϟAH1944 on Feb 7, 2014 14:48:46 GMT -5
I haven't seen that before, thanks for the laugh LOL!
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Post by wwiiguy on Aug 5, 2016 12:11:26 GMT -5
So is a replication of the classic picture of Eisenhower and Wallance C Strobel "too common" I dont think ive seen too many 502 paras on the forum
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