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Post by dasreich on Jul 10, 2013 10:10:37 GMT -5
hi
my dad has a real 98k and i was wondering if it could be turned into airsoft.
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Post by ScottCollins on Jul 10, 2013 10:48:40 GMT -5
NO NONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONO. NEVER. EVER. DESTROY A REALL GUN FOR AIRSOFT. But seriously, if the 98k works then don't use it, if it doesn't work, then get pieces for it and make it work.
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Post by volkssturm on Jul 10, 2013 11:42:59 GMT -5
Well, I suppose you could, but it would be a lot of work, and in twenty years or so when real Kar98K's are selling for thousands of dollars you're going to kick yourself.  Authentic, unaltered weapons always increase in value, because they don't make them no more, and the further we get from WWII and the smaller the supply of vintage WWII arms gets the higher the prices are going to be. I'm old enough to remember ads in the back of gun magazines (early '60's) for surplus M1 Garands for $89.95. Try to find one today under 800 or 900. Makes a lot more sense to look for a defunct Dboys Kar98 and use it as the base for a gun with VSR innards. |
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Post by ScottCollins on Jul 10, 2013 12:55:53 GMT -5
Volk you can buy and M1 from the cmp for $500... Still no 89.95 but still a decent price counting in inflation
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Post by brownien on Jul 10, 2013 13:17:46 GMT -5
Yea definitely go with the Dboys as a base gun, and if you are looking for a wood stocked conversion, Dboys makes those too, but they cost a bit more.
Ps. This sould be in the Armory section
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Post by volkssturm on Jul 10, 2013 14:23:41 GMT -5
Volk you can buy and M1 from the cmp for $500... Still no 89.95 but still a decent price counting in inflation Yep, but that program's only open to competitive target shooters. I bought my M1 back in the early '90's for $350. A bunch of them were re-imported from China, which pushed the price down a bit. I wouldn't expect to see that again, except maybe from Korea. Anyway, the point is, there's a limited supply of these things and it's really a shame to destroy them. |
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Post by ScottCollins on Jul 10, 2013 15:35:44 GMT -5
Is it? I'm pretty sure that anyone can buy one...
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Post by volkssturm on Jul 10, 2013 18:55:40 GMT -5
Is it? I'm pretty sure that anyone can buy one... Here's the link for the Civilian Marksmanship Program website, eligibility page: odcmp.com/Sales/eligibility.htmYou need to be a member of a CMP affiliated club and show some degree of participation in shooting activities. Sorry to be wandering off topic. |
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Post by tinydata on Jul 10, 2013 23:25:04 GMT -5
The definition of affiliated club is loose. There are organizations set up just to fulfill the paper requirement.
PM me if you have questions about buying a CMP M1...I went through it last year and its a relative breeze.
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Post by ersatzjack2 on Jul 11, 2013 0:23:58 GMT -5
hi my dad has a real 98k and i was wondering if it could be turned into airsoft. The answer to your question is yes. If you go to the armory thread there are stickied threads on K98 builds. My brother has made 10-15 real wood and steel conversions for mostly MOA members. I am very fond of mine as it feels real and helps me with the immersion end of the hobby. I believe my brother has made them in various ways. Sometimes he will purchase a stock and look for parts and other times he finds a cheaper priced Russian capture Mauser to use. Would he cut up a great (all matching numbers) K98? No, that would be silly. Germany and other countries made about eight million of the things so I don't think a few airsoft conversions are going to dent the collector market for them but regardless, it is a free society and if you're willing to spend your money the way you choose it is up to you. The airsoft K98 that I own is worth way more than the real one I use for reenacting. That is because of all the upgrade airsoft parts thrown into it. You can argue that it is quite rare also. I've even brought it to reenactments where there is no battle and reenactors get a kick out of seeing it. Yes, it can be done and they look and feel a lot better than the plastic dboy versions. |
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jul 11, 2013 0:42:42 GMT -5
I agree the vast majority of the millions upon millions of remaining ww2 weapons are not in anyway genuinely collectible and never will be. Better would be to use the main components or an otherwise poor quality, weathered gun as your base. Tons and tons of complete threads here on assorted approaches that have been taken by a dozen or more of our members. Do some catching up on the threads and come back on with any unanswered questions as i suspect most if not all your questions will be answered.
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Post by volkssturm on Jul 11, 2013 13:37:21 GMT -5
OK, if you're talking about some $50 gun show special with a shot out barrel and about 0 percent finish left that will never be restorable, then sure, go to it.  |
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Post by dasreich on Jul 11, 2013 13:39:57 GMT -5
NO NONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONO. NEVER. EVER. DESTROY A REALL GUN FOR AIRSOFT. But seriously, if the 98k works then don't use it, if it doesn't work, then get pieces for it and make it work. it is ok, this one is fine it is nice enough to use ok. |
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jul 11, 2013 15:55:53 GMT -5
An intact, functional, decent gun (especially with proper period markings ) absolutely shouldn't be used to convert as there are plenty of salvage parts type rifles around that are ideal for a conversion. If your dads rifle is nice, functions well odds are he won't support the project anyway.
Good candidates or components needed for the project can be acquired at any decent sized gun show for not a lot of money. The project however is time consuming and labor intense. Your best bet is to buy someone elses offer of a conversion they did. Rarely does anyone come close to recouping the materials, time and effort they put into these things and many are very well done.
Way way more about this subject in the Armory DIY sections.
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Post by BigBoy on Sept 17, 2013 9:46:25 GMT -5
Have yon considered the legal problems associated with a conversion of a real firearm to airsoft? The BATF which enforces the Fedreal Firearms laws has determined that once a weapon is a firearm, it remains a firearm until the receiver is destroyed according the the specification laid down by the BATF. (Cut into three sections with an oxy-acetylene torch destroys the receiver and makes it no longer a firearm.) Even it you successfully convert a real K98 to an airsoft rifle and use the real receiver, the resulting weapon is still considered to a real firearm and subject to all the laws concerning one. One could be in big trouble by bring a converted to airsoft weapon into a firearm free area or into some jurisdiction which requires all firearms to be registered or even by possession of a firearm by an under-age person or cause reckless endangerment by pointing a real firearm at other individuals.
From a legal point of view, converting real firearms to airsoft is a lot more trouble that it is worth. If need be, sell the real firearm and use the funds to by a true airsoft weapon. Just my $0.02.
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Post by halfnelson on Sept 17, 2013 9:52:19 GMT -5
I'd say he didn't consider anything at all.  |
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Post by panzer IB on Sept 22, 2013 9:43:41 GMT -5
the only way I've seen it really work out (cost effective wise and practically wise) is when you want a berretta smg from a parts or building from scratch an mg34 using only an original barrel shroud to start off with
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Post by 2nd Bat on Oct 1, 2013 0:23:53 GMT -5
If BIG BOY actually took the time to follow any one of the many threads on a conversion of a real weapon into an airsoft rifle he'd realize how incredibly inane his post was. The process of any conversion. BOLT ACTION, Gas or AEG exceeds the steps needed to de-militarize an actual firearm since the receiver areas for any conversion are replaced with airsoft components and thus could never be readily converted back to a firearm and would not violate any ATF law. the only exception here is the lower receiver of a gas blow back. ( Trigger assemblies) for AR type modern rifles which when married to an actual upper receiver could function full auto and is in fact illegal. (Although seldom enforced)
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Authentic, unaltered weapons always increase in value, because they don't make them no more, and the further we get from WWII and the smaller the supply of vintage WWII arms gets the higher the prices are going to be. I'm old enough to remember ads in the back of gun magazines (early '60's) for surplus M1 Garands for $89.95. Try to find one today under 800 or 900. 
